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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<description>And that is what I love, Ryan. A discussion of critiques and ripostes, but nothing that is destructive or elitist. :)

I believe you are repeating what Kljigen pointed out in his previous post: that good and evil are mainly implements of society; that in the end, no one can really judge. I added to his discussion that yes, I believed it was a social construct primarily to place order in society. Finally, I agree that we can&#039;t define those ideas especially, because they are complex and simply giving definitions to them obscures them - or offers a picture that is incomplete.

As for escaping, yes, I would agree that you cannot disjoint reality from even this escape, because it would be a nightmare and not a dream to be unfamiliar with everything in your dream world. To have a wonderful dream world, I would say that the mix between the familiar and unfamiliar has to be perfect. If it was too unfamiliar it brings alienation, and if it was too familiar it brings pain. :) 

Media that may not have irregularities may be escapist because there remains to be something unfamiliar that makes the experience colorful. 

As for the experience of being rooted in Japan, I don&#039;t really think of that as my escape, but merely just an abstraction, a moving away from the real world so I can pursue my dreams, temporary they may last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that is what I love, Ryan. A discussion of critiques and ripostes, but nothing that is destructive or elitist. <img src='http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I believe you are repeating what Kljigen pointed out in his previous post: that good and evil are mainly implements of society; that in the end, no one can really judge. I added to his discussion that yes, I believed it was a social construct primarily to place order in society. Finally, I agree that we can&#8217;t define those ideas especially, because they are complex and simply giving definitions to them obscures them &#8211; or offers a picture that is incomplete.</p>
<p>As for escaping, yes, I would agree that you cannot disjoint reality from even this escape, because it would be a nightmare and not a dream to be unfamiliar with everything in your dream world. To have a wonderful dream world, I would say that the mix between the familiar and unfamiliar has to be perfect. If it was too unfamiliar it brings alienation, and if it was too familiar it brings pain. <img src='http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Media that may not have irregularities may be escapist because there remains to be something unfamiliar that makes the experience colorful. </p>
<p>As for the experience of being rooted in Japan, I don&#8217;t really think of that as my escape, but merely just an abstraction, a moving away from the real world so I can pursue my dreams, temporary they may last.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan A</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One intense, and broad, discussion here ^_^

On good vs evil:
If one loved person, to each person, in a population of humans was killed, the determination of good vs bad would definitely be a majority based on how it made the people left alive feel. This sort of thing isn&#039;t singularly human though, but we can&#039;t count out that there may be some species in which the opposite is true, or one where a balance exists, neither good nor bad. Therefore these things are not reality only partly of instinct, and highly mixed with learned mechanisms (the way we feel, we pass on to our own).

Let&#039;s suppose the opposite, a positive and negative do exist in the universe (which is true), does our conception of bad=negative become true? I think not, because what humans define as good vs bad is part of life, which I&#039;ll designate as positive=good; some may contest. Now it may be a serious predisposition of many to believe that death is the negative=bad, but for a second let&#039;s admit that it really isn&#039;t the bad, but the balance, then what classifies as the bad? Could we, as living beings, even perceive the bad, or are the figments we&#039;ve created really it? There is no definite answer, and there may not be, because we cannot &quot;see&quot; all of reality with our bodies (I can&#039;t see IR, or UV for instance; neither can anyone else), but I feel that if there is &quot;evil&quot; in this universe it isn&#039;t something that we can define so well.

On escaping:
Real life is alright, but it can be quite sickening. Escapist media should have elements of real things abound (imagine sci-fi with only aliens, no humans), yet it flows more like a concise dream. We need that realistic touch to identify with (as stated). Yet, there is a fuzzy line where we (not me, but amazing writers/conceptualists) can mix realistic things with the unreal and it becomes an amazing place to escape; I think of the Crest of the Stars world. 

Still, media that doesn&#039;t have irregularities can still be escapist, and although I don&#039;t really think of something like H+C that way I could understand it. I only say that because H+C is sorta realistic and I didn&#039;t feel like I was &quot;escaping&quot; during the experience. These things said, I don&#039;t find escape in harems, not really in KyoAni via Key stuff either (but I kind of wished the world of AIR was real). 

There is one aspect of anime where I can find escape, and that is in the fact that usually the setting is sometime/where in Japan. Now, I don&#039;t live in Japan, especially in a nice seaside town with a lovely population where everyone knows what seifuku are, so my base anime escape is simply Japan! After that the secondary escapes come and go, but the taste of Japan always lingers, in a good way.

Yes, I&#039;ve lost my marbles... no I don&#039;t need to borrow any :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One intense, and broad, discussion here ^_^</p>
<p>On good vs evil:<br />
If one loved person, to each person, in a population of humans was killed, the determination of good vs bad would definitely be a majority based on how it made the people left alive feel. This sort of thing isn&#8217;t singularly human though, but we can&#8217;t count out that there may be some species in which the opposite is true, or one where a balance exists, neither good nor bad. Therefore these things are not reality only partly of instinct, and highly mixed with learned mechanisms (the way we feel, we pass on to our own).</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s suppose the opposite, a positive and negative do exist in the universe (which is true), does our conception of bad=negative become true? I think not, because what humans define as good vs bad is part of life, which I&#8217;ll designate as positive=good; some may contest. Now it may be a serious predisposition of many to believe that death is the negative=bad, but for a second let&#8217;s admit that it really isn&#8217;t the bad, but the balance, then what classifies as the bad? Could we, as living beings, even perceive the bad, or are the figments we&#8217;ve created really it? There is no definite answer, and there may not be, because we cannot &#8220;see&#8221; all of reality with our bodies (I can&#8217;t see IR, or UV for instance; neither can anyone else), but I feel that if there is &#8220;evil&#8221; in this universe it isn&#8217;t something that we can define so well.</p>
<p>On escaping:<br />
Real life is alright, but it can be quite sickening. Escapist media should have elements of real things abound (imagine sci-fi with only aliens, no humans), yet it flows more like a concise dream. We need that realistic touch to identify with (as stated). Yet, there is a fuzzy line where we (not me, but amazing writers/conceptualists) can mix realistic things with the unreal and it becomes an amazing place to escape; I think of the Crest of the Stars world. </p>
<p>Still, media that doesn&#8217;t have irregularities can still be escapist, and although I don&#8217;t really think of something like H+C that way I could understand it. I only say that because H+C is sorta realistic and I didn&#8217;t feel like I was &#8220;escaping&#8221; during the experience. These things said, I don&#8217;t find escape in harems, not really in KyoAni via Key stuff either (but I kind of wished the world of AIR was real). </p>
<p>There is one aspect of anime where I can find escape, and that is in the fact that usually the setting is sometime/where in Japan. Now, I don&#8217;t live in Japan, especially in a nice seaside town with a lovely population where everyone knows what seifuku are, so my base anime escape is simply Japan! After that the secondary escapes come and go, but the taste of Japan always lingers, in a good way.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve lost my marbles&#8230; no I don&#8217;t need to borrow any <img src='http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@usagijen 

I would agree. I could not add more because of my general approbation of your comment, but simple choice will make a very big difference. If one knows the girls (or guys) all that well, it may be difficult to have a final choice, but in reality, ascertaining is not also all that difficult. 

Guard your heart and choose wisely. That is correct. 

ATE ALWAYS KNOWS BEST!!! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@usagijen </p>
<p>I would agree. I could not add more because of my general approbation of your comment, but simple choice will make a very big difference. If one knows the girls (or guys) all that well, it may be difficult to have a final choice, but in reality, ascertaining is not also all that difficult. </p>
<p>Guard your heart and choose wisely. That is correct. </p>
<p>ATE ALWAYS KNOWS BEST!!! <img src='http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: usagijen</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Choosing between two girls (or guys for that matter) in your life is inarguably a difficult task, but I believe this happens to people because they allow themselves to fall for these kinds of situations. One might argue that fate is probably what brought the two women in his life, but the fact that he opened up his heart to both women inevitably shows that he himself has something to do with the struggles he&#039;s facing.

Yes, it&#039;s the kind of drama we usually see in movies, animes, etc, and the kind which some people love to watch because of the tension of emotions involved in it. In real life however, people ought to be wiser, and not let emotions take control of their lives, or else they&#039;ll find themselves struggling with promiscuity, which will end up hurting all the parties involved.

If possible, don&#039;t do anything that will make you bogged down to make a choice between two (or more) women sooner or later. If you&#039;re lucky enough to be in the situation as the harem lead guys, choosing might prove to be difficult because the girls just magically appear at your doorstep, but once you get to know the girls well enough (and know yourself as well, and what you really want), I believe you&#039;ll be able to pinpoint that one person for you. Don&#039;t allow yourself to love someone truly, madly, and deeply, without thinking of wanting to commit to that relationship (like you&#039;ve ascertained that the person is THE one). That commitment will serve as the guard of your heart, so that you won&#039;t turn to other women anymore.

Anyways, it&#039;s really complicated... but guarding your heart and committing (once you find the person you really love) is the key to all this, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Choosing between two girls (or guys for that matter) in your life is inarguably a difficult task, but I believe this happens to people because they allow themselves to fall for these kinds of situations. One might argue that fate is probably what brought the two women in his life, but the fact that he opened up his heart to both women inevitably shows that he himself has something to do with the struggles he&#8217;s facing.</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s the kind of drama we usually see in movies, animes, etc, and the kind which some people love to watch because of the tension of emotions involved in it. In real life however, people ought to be wiser, and not let emotions take control of their lives, or else they&#8217;ll find themselves struggling with promiscuity, which will end up hurting all the parties involved.</p>
<p>If possible, don&#8217;t do anything that will make you bogged down to make a choice between two (or more) women sooner or later. If you&#8217;re lucky enough to be in the situation as the harem lead guys, choosing might prove to be difficult because the girls just magically appear at your doorstep, but once you get to know the girls well enough (and know yourself as well, and what you really want), I believe you&#8217;ll be able to pinpoint that one person for you. Don&#8217;t allow yourself to love someone truly, madly, and deeply, without thinking of wanting to commit to that relationship (like you&#8217;ve ascertained that the person is THE one). That commitment will serve as the guard of your heart, so that you won&#8217;t turn to other women anymore.</p>
<p>Anyways, it&#8217;s really complicated&#8230; but guarding your heart and committing (once you find the person you really love) is the key to all this, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yours is an important yet still unresolved thesis: from your statement, you believe that society molds what is &#039;good&#039; and what is &#039;bad,&#039; and yet, in reality, there is really nothing &#039;good&#039; or &#039;bad.&#039; I think I agree with this. If someone was truly &#039;good&#039; or &#039;bad,&#039; then we can separate the world between heaven or hell, right?

I guess my reply to this is that society judges upon men&#039;s actions to preserve order. Were it not for this, there will be anarchism, and anarchism is something both retrogressive and abhorrent as what history attests. Society judges because it needs to preserve order and sanity. If it did not, no humans would remain in this world anymore. 

This intelligence allows us to dominate and to control ourselves, which also allows us to dominate over the rest of animal life. The killer may have his reasons, but if left to do his bidding (and if everyone was), life on Earth will probably cease to exist. Do you see this point?

Religion, I believe, was proposed by society to impose order and sanity, and that is why we can find both right and wrong. The same can be said of philosophy. Descartes discussed that, even - maths are underneath the realm of cognition (if I interpreted him correctly) so that is why there is something clear-cut whenever we seek out an answer of it. If thinking is involved, there is NOTHING that is clear-cut. Everything is a shade of gray. 

I need to judge because there will be no order otherwise, and it is something I have to face that life on Earth will end if I did not. It may be an incomplete, biased judgment, but we have to make these if we are to preserve life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yours is an important yet still unresolved thesis: from your statement, you believe that society molds what is &#8216;good&#8217; and what is &#8216;bad,&#8217; and yet, in reality, there is really nothing &#8216;good&#8217; or &#8216;bad.&#8217; I think I agree with this. If someone was truly &#8216;good&#8217; or &#8216;bad,&#8217; then we can separate the world between heaven or hell, right?</p>
<p>I guess my reply to this is that society judges upon men&#8217;s actions to preserve order. Were it not for this, there will be anarchism, and anarchism is something both retrogressive and abhorrent as what history attests. Society judges because it needs to preserve order and sanity. If it did not, no humans would remain in this world anymore. </p>
<p>This intelligence allows us to dominate and to control ourselves, which also allows us to dominate over the rest of animal life. The killer may have his reasons, but if left to do his bidding (and if everyone was), life on Earth will probably cease to exist. Do you see this point?</p>
<p>Religion, I believe, was proposed by society to impose order and sanity, and that is why we can find both right and wrong. The same can be said of philosophy. Descartes discussed that, even &#8211; maths are underneath the realm of cognition (if I interpreted him correctly) so that is why there is something clear-cut whenever we seek out an answer of it. If thinking is involved, there is NOTHING that is clear-cut. Everything is a shade of gray. </p>
<p>I need to judge because there will be no order otherwise, and it is something I have to face that life on Earth will end if I did not. It may be an incomplete, biased judgment, but we have to make these if we are to preserve life.</p>
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		<title>By: Kljigen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kljigen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no good or bad in this world, only majority and minority. And thing that is so called &quot;bad&quot; can be &quot;good&quot; if you see it in a different light. But since &quot;bad&quot;=&quot;good&quot;, isn&#039;t there no such thing as good or bad since they are the same?

I&#039;m glad that you see my point about the &#039;action&#039; and &#039;reason&#039; part. One must always look at the &#039;reason&#039; before you judge their &#039;action&#039;. But, who are you to judge? You can never give a proper judgment if you do not fully understand the reason since there will always be parts that never made it to the public. The one who can judge is none other than the person who committed the &#039;action&#039;. However, would the society accept his judgment? No. They would just take it as an excuse and brand him is &quot;bad&quot;. But is it the society&#039;s role to judge? 

If we trace back to the very basic thing that all living thing knows, that is instinct. The instinct to live, to protect yourself. But as human has much higher intelligence than all other living things, we started to reason with the &#039;instinct&#039;. Our intelligence overpowered instinct, and we started to reason every &#039;action&#039; with intelligence. If you killed a man, our intelligence says that you are a killer. Since the majority finds that killers, the minority, are different and abnormal, they are &quot;wrong&quot;,&quot;bad&quot;, and are exterminated. But if we think about it, he may killed the man for a &quot;reason&quot;. The majority overlook the &quot;reason&quot;, defending their argument with &#039;killing is not right&#039;. Even if the reason is an invalid one, where the &quot;reason&quot; is considered &quot;bad&quot;, if we look at it in a different point of view, that so called &quot;killing&quot; can be acceptable.

If you felt threaten, you would run. If you are cornered, you would fight. If you fight, you would kill. This is instinct, the very basic thing that enables us to live till now. If we see the killer as threaten, cornered, doesn&#039;t that make his killing &quot;acceptable&quot;? Since it is the work of instinct, it must be acceptable. 

This few examples clearly shows that there is no right or wrong, good or bad in this world. (Unless you mean something like a maths question, where there would always be correct answers.) &quot;Good&quot; and &quot;bad&quot; is just something that the society create to defend their stand that the minority is &quot;bad&quot;. Because the minority is different, they are &quot;abnormal&quot; and shunned from the society.

To warp it up, there is no good and bad in this world, and who are you to judge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no good or bad in this world, only majority and minority. And thing that is so called &#8220;bad&#8221; can be &#8220;good&#8221; if you see it in a different light. But since &#8220;bad&#8221;=&#8221;good&#8221;, isn&#8217;t there no such thing as good or bad since they are the same?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that you see my point about the &#8216;action&#8217; and &#8216;reason&#8217; part. One must always look at the &#8216;reason&#8217; before you judge their &#8216;action&#8217;. But, who are you to judge? You can never give a proper judgment if you do not fully understand the reason since there will always be parts that never made it to the public. The one who can judge is none other than the person who committed the &#8216;action&#8217;. However, would the society accept his judgment? No. They would just take it as an excuse and brand him is &#8220;bad&#8221;. But is it the society&#8217;s role to judge? </p>
<p>If we trace back to the very basic thing that all living thing knows, that is instinct. The instinct to live, to protect yourself. But as human has much higher intelligence than all other living things, we started to reason with the &#8216;instinct&#8217;. Our intelligence overpowered instinct, and we started to reason every &#8216;action&#8217; with intelligence. If you killed a man, our intelligence says that you are a killer. Since the majority finds that killers, the minority, are different and abnormal, they are &#8220;wrong&#8221;,&#8221;bad&#8221;, and are exterminated. But if we think about it, he may killed the man for a &#8220;reason&#8221;. The majority overlook the &#8220;reason&#8221;, defending their argument with &#8216;killing is not right&#8217;. Even if the reason is an invalid one, where the &#8220;reason&#8221; is considered &#8220;bad&#8221;, if we look at it in a different point of view, that so called &#8220;killing&#8221; can be acceptable.</p>
<p>If you felt threaten, you would run. If you are cornered, you would fight. If you fight, you would kill. This is instinct, the very basic thing that enables us to live till now. If we see the killer as threaten, cornered, doesn&#8217;t that make his killing &#8220;acceptable&#8221;? Since it is the work of instinct, it must be acceptable. </p>
<p>This few examples clearly shows that there is no right or wrong, good or bad in this world. (Unless you mean something like a maths question, where there would always be correct answers.) &#8220;Good&#8221; and &#8220;bad&#8221; is just something that the society create to defend their stand that the minority is &#8220;bad&#8221;. Because the minority is different, they are &#8220;abnormal&#8221; and shunned from the society.</p>
<p>To warp it up, there is no good and bad in this world, and who are you to judge?</p>
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