In before rage: revisiting AniDB’s top 10 anime of all time (and Code Geass R2?)
I don’t even have to say anything more. It’s all in the picture.
Click the image for a bigger picture. Check the series located at no. 5. If one is a true anime fan, that should be more than enough to make one RAGE.
No, I didn’t shop that. I … am utterly speechless. The picture simply describes the nadir of anime fandom. Seriously.
Tags: , Anime, Code Geass R2, rage
August 28th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Vast majority of people out there just simply have a shitty taste.
And in the case of CG, boatloads of fat fangirls to whom the show is the second anime they’ve come across realized they can vote it to be TEH BEST EBAR!
August 28th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Wow, the rating system is broken. Well, you know my position on point-rating systems…. definitely need to push relative rating into the mix. ^^
August 28th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
who gives a shit about no.5 or whatever. What’s important is what’s at number 1. ARIA BANZAI!
August 28th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
It simply means that people have an eye for the gems and not uber hyped up shit shows with plot holes equal to a black hole. Oh right… DAMN WHY ISNT NARUTO IN THERE?!?!?!??!1111111111111111111
August 28th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
A look at other sites:
AnimeNFO
9.6/10.0 (3 reviews)
AnimeNewsNetwork
Seen in part or in whole by 1517 users, rank: #294
Median rating: Masterpiece
Arithmetic mean: 8.9734 (Excellent-.02), std. dev.: 2.1864, rank: #65
Weighted mean: 8.8918 (Excellent-.10), rank: #60
Bayesian estimate: 8.87706 (Excellent-.12), rank: #3
MyAnimeList
Score: 8.931 (scored by 8033 users)
Ranked: #42
Popularity: #41
August 28th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
IT MUST BE TRUE THEN!
CODE GEASS R2 IS ONE OF THE BEST ANIME OF ALL TIME!
/sarcasm
August 28th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
The only thing I’m wondering is if there is a formula that can be used to calculate these rankings taking into account things like how new the series is and so on, since I see other series in the top 10 that haven’t finished yet or that have recently finished. Or at least take into account the amount of people ranking these things. It’s a nice laugh though and nothing to get angry about.
August 28th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
I’m surprised the list isn’t worse, but then I have a pretty low opinion of people.
Compared to something like the IMDb (dire) top 250, it’s more interestingly random and less tied to pompous consensus. I really quite like the way the anime canon doesn’t work. I mean, if the nadir of anime fandom is dumb shallow short term judgement, at least it’s not lifeless and witless veneration. I’ll take overrating two episodes of Detroit Metal City over The Dark Knight fawning anyday, and I haven’t even seen DMC yet.
August 28th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
@TheBigN, yea anidb isn’t doing a Bayesian, but it would favor R2, but it would also favor series which a larger number have rated higher.
August 28th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
[...] recently mike posted a little something about Code Geass R2, as failed enterprise as it is, having somehow ended up in the Top10 of all [...]
August 28th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
that must have been the result of fanboy/fangirl raves.
i like a lot of the shows on the list but not love LOVE that they would reach my own personal top ten. macro speaking, i am having a hard time fanthoming how nodame cantabile (a show i absolutely adore) would outrank rurouni kenshin OVAs and the TV series not even be there -_- as greatest anime of all time.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:01 am
How the hell did Kaiba get up there? Truly the nadir of anime fandom.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:23 am
You know, ignoring the implications of it being there, it should really be un-allowed for an anime that hasn’t fully aired to even be able to be on that list in the first place.
August 29th, 2008 at 1:36 am
Behold the power of Pizza Hut and the zealousness of the Black Knights!
At least LOGH beat out Geass if that happened I would have RAGED. How dare they leave of Crest of the Stars and Gundam!
August 29th, 2008 at 1:50 am
Geass is popular because it’s entertaining, and as your other commenters have said plenty of people are happily confusing their affection with its quality. It is things like this that make the idea of enlightened dictatorship (why hello Reinhard, funny to see you here) so attractive.
But as TheBigN says, we don’t want to get all serious business over this . . .
August 29th, 2008 at 2:04 am
Go to DMC! Go to DMC!
August 29th, 2008 at 2:59 am
Now Demian I agree with.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:10 am
If you look at the rest, it isn’t so surprising. DMC so high? It’s only two eps in… Aria first? Madness. Kneejerk reaction voting.
August 29th, 2008 at 7:10 am
Democracy was, after all, the one that condemned Jesus to death. I’m sure democracy had also done a lot of stuff, but that alone takes the cake.
August 29th, 2008 at 8:12 am
That 5 of the top 10 started airing in 2008 and 7 since 2007 is what would have made ME suspicious about its rating structure. I used to use AniDB some years ago but didn’t feel like using its interface of cataloging individual files so I abandoned it. Just accept that subjective ratings are vulnerable to crowd corruption.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Why would I rage about that? I’ve been watching anime for years and the Code Geass series as a whole without a doubt deserves to be in the top ten. Sounds more like jealousy that yours didn’t get as high as you thought or one was left out.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Kjk2h:
6/10
August 29th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
The question is, what did all those ppl who gave it a 10, also give a 10 to… everything? Flawed
August 30th, 2008 at 2:47 am
Wait… how is it so high!? I am again astounded by how the masses work.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:25 am
I like R2, guilty as charged, but I definitely wouldn’t put it there, nor any higher to say the least, but it’s not like it matters.
Popularity-based rankings have never been indicative of quality, whether it’s about anime or anything else. Nor should they be.
August 30th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
This article is sheer sour grapes and just pathetic. Popular anime always climb to the top of these lists. These things are all nonesense and I’ve long since stopped taking them seriously. Why it takes Code Geass being on one for a call for us to “rage” to come out I don’t know. What about when Clannad was on one of these after the first episode? What about when Haruhi was on it about halfway through it’s run? Does Aria The Origination even deserve to be Number 1? Why is what is in number 5 so important to people?
I know why it is, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, people just love to bash and whine about Code Geass because it’s as popular to do on the blogosphere as the series is popular with anime fans. And ever day they prove this charge more and more. We’ve gone through valid criticism, we’ve gone through desperate criticism and now we’ve hit whining that the show has the audacity to be popular. Is this the next step? The 5 minutes hate of Code Geass brought to you by the anime blogosphere? How far does it need to go?
Honestly though, grow up, wake up, and realize that people have a right to like the show and we don’t need half the blogosphere banding together to try and convince us otherwise. Seriously, that’s what it’s starting to feel like, as if the blogosphere feels the need by the day to try and convince people that Code Geass is some sort of abomination of mankind and that it is the absolute low point in the history of anime lest people actually try and enjoy it on some level. It’s pathetic, it’s petty, it’s trendy and it makes me ashamed to call myself an anime blogger. No I don’t think it deserves a top 10 or even top 100 place in the all time list, but that’s how these polls go. So let it go anime bloggers, let it go……
August 30th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Kaioshin Sama:
We’re not the ones who mistake plot holes as nitpicking, after all. While I appreciate the positive comments you’ve given me as regards the previous post of mine, I also pointed out that Code Geass sucks even in the title itself. Because it does. But liking it is different as to telling it is good, and it’s not. I’m shooting flak towards those thoughtless raters because it doesn’t deserve to be in that position. I’ve never heard of Aria being bashed other than ‘the series will peacefully bring you to sleep,’ because it’s a great series. I’m not blindly attacking anything.
I think Code Geass sucks. But I also like it. It’s a hard dualism to understand, but hey – that’s me.
August 30th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Kaiba in a top ten? At least Gurren Lagann had a few entertaining episodes.
I can tolerate children and women voting, but faggots rating crap high to make themselves feel intelligent is what makes me rage.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Firstly, I think “plot hole” is just a catch all term nowadays so I’m not going to pay it any mind when people mention this or that “plot hole” unless they actually bother to point out one, and a valid one at that. Haven’t seen it happen as of episode 20.
Secondly, I happen to think that Code Geass doesn’t suck and I also happen to think it’s good. To me it seems like your are implying that there is a problem with thinking that and that I am somehow wrong and “thoughtless” in taking this stance/opinion. I certainly hope that is not the case, because from what I can tell it looks like that it to me when somebody states “Code Geass sucks because it does” or “But liking it is different as to telling it is good, and it’s not.” I also hope you aren’t trying to make those judgements for everybody, but again from what I can see it sure looks like you are when you make those statements so definitively as if they are unquestionable.
I am also more than a little offended to be judged as any of the labels some people have mentioned above just because I happen to think Code Geass R2 is a good show and I’m sure the people who rated the series high on that poll would be offended too. I’m also tired of being referred to as the “Sunrise Fanboy” (some of the people commenting here have done so I should mention) just because I reserve the right to state that I feel this show is good and debate with others who think otherwise. Truth be told I don’t give a damn about the company, it’s the other people that obsess over their hand in the show and turn it into some sort of “trainwreck” meme that do and I’m just responding to them from their own angle. Anyway, I’d like to think a person can be judged by more then what he happens to think of the oh so controversial and pivotal Code Geass R2, but from the looks of the above comments I guess that it’s now a measure of a man what he thinks of the shows quality. How old and mature are we that we resort to name calling and labelling to settle our differences as anime fans anyway?
Also, I hear lots of talk about some people encroaching on other peoples right to dislike Code Geass. If this is valid (which it is) then it works both ways and I cannot help but feel that you and others (bloggers, commenters etc) are encroaching on people’s right to like Code Geass and feel it is good and worthy of some praise when you write articles like this and incite people to drum up some rage and fury over the fact that the show is popular.
Truth be told I’m also tired of seeing article after article from the anime blogosphere of people just being 100% negative about this series. I didn’t start the SRSS BSSNS that other bloggers frequently accuse me of. They did when they started this whole “rage”/”trainwreck”/”it sucks” campaign against the show for again doing nothing more then having the audacity to be popular with anime fans. Or so it would seem now as I see them all gathered here today seething that none of it has had any effect on other peoples opinion of the series, as extremely and exaggeratedly high as I agree it might be. Though I’m not so petty as to refer to these people as “fat fangirls” or people with “shitty taste” just because I disagree with their opinion and prefer to hold an above average rating for the show as of now.
Truth be told yet again, I’ve read more blog articles that focus solely on how apparently awful the series is as of late then I’ve read about the actual content of recent episodes and theories on it and that’s not what I had imagined when it came to reading episodic reviews on anime blogs. To me it’s boring to read one-sided views on a series positive or negative, it’s old hat by now in this case and it’s frankly not going to make a lick of difference in the long run other then to upset people. I’ve long since gotten the point that anime bloggers who aren’t me loathe this series, but I don’t see why I need to keep hearing about it everyday. I don’t see why we need…..I don’t even know anymore, I’ve lost track. Let’s say 20+ blogs all telling us this. What are you people hoping to prove anyway?
At the end of the day again I’ll say that all that’s been proven is popular series get overrated on anime top ten listings. Heck you want to see something special? Go look at Anime News Network where Clannad After Story holds the 72nd all time Bayesian rating 2 months before the first episode even airs. That sure lends an air of credibility to these things. Lets all rage about that.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
All right. I’ll mention one of these ‘plotholes’ or nitpicks, in your definition.
Schneizel landed on the ship of the Order of the Black Knights with relative ease during one of the episodes. If he had done that a long time ago, wouldn’t the use of FLEIA and the death of 35 million be obviated? This show seems to pride itself on intelligence. Isn’t that an instance of bad writing? Isn’t that a plot hole?
Next, I really can’t give a damn with regard to your opinions on Code Geass or on any other show. It sucks, but I like it. While you can disagree with that, you cannot disregard the fact that Geass relies too much on bathos. Now this is easy to pass up for lesser shows. But for shows so self-confident as regards its intelligence, don’t you think it’s a funny thing?
I don’t think the bloggers or other sentient beings debase Geass just because it’s popular. For one thing, Honey and Clover is popular, but no one really insults it or trolls it. People denigrate Code Geass because a lot of us recognize the ugliness of its plot construction or otherwise. Now when a lot of people not me recognize its ugliness, do you think we’re the blind ones, or are you just not opening your eyes?
‘I like it,’ to reiterate, is not the same as ‘It is good.’ I’d like to believe I can discern between these two ideas.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Would it have stopped the use of FLEIA if Schneizel landed on the ship in episode 17 when they first entered the territory do you mean? No. Why? Well for one we know that Lelouch was going into Tokyo no matter what to get Nunally and Karen back and he would not have accepted any of Schneizel’s terms nor granted him passage to land were he in charge when Schneizel landed, which he was in episode 17. The scenario was pretty much destiny regardless of what Schneizel would have wanted. So no it’s not an instance of bad writing or a plot hole, it’s pretty well covered. The reason Schneizel chose to land on the Ikaruga in episode 19 after the bomb was fired seems evident. The Black Knights had seen the power of the weapon first hand by that point, Lelouch was no longer monitoring the ongoing activities on the ship and Mordred was now equipped with and Mordred Fleia bomb which was the only reason they were able to land so easily in the first place. He had the cards and was no longer under threat of being captured, which he would have been if he pulled the same stunt in episode 17 or 18 with no FLEIA to use as a detterent to any funny business the BK might try to pull with him on board. Nice and neat.
Also I’ve kept in mind that Code Geass’ “intelligence” is defined by the standards of Sci-Fi/Fantasy anime. As such I don’t find it funny that it relies on bathos because I recognize that it is it’s very style and essence.
And personally I find Honey and Clover to be just as overrated as Code Geass just as I find the slice of life genre to be overrated. That aside if you think it isn’t trolled or bashed then read this:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/honey-and-clover/gn-1
Anyway, you still haven’t addressed why you are getting so bent out of shape about what is clearly just a popularity poll. something not only I have tried to point out. If you don’t like it you just could have made your own top 10 list and presented it as an alternative. I know I have when I didn’t agreed with a top 10 list others have made up. And don’t think I haven’t been down your road or anything either. I used to seeth and rage at all the praise, popularity and high rankings Haruhi got back in the day when I disagreed vehemently and felt that it was a medicore 6/10 series at best with an interest level of 8 and an overall quality level of 6, but looking back I feel I just wasted my time and did nothing to make my case other then to annoy it’s fans who felt insulted by my implications that they were somehow beneath me because I approved more of series like Legend of The Galactic Heroes, Eureka Seven and Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam, which I guess are to me like H&C is to you. Trust me when I say it’s not worth it to go down that road. I’ve seen that you can right intelligent articles, but this type of stuff just detracts from that. Especially because as I said it’s nothing more then a lame popularity poll. :p
August 30th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
code geass sucks. am i cool now? O_O
August 30th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
I read that. So you trust that woman? You should see her physical appearance. You’d probably understand why she said that of H&C. Hahahaha. Again, to reiterate – I find its reliance on bathos to be funny. Calling it a stylistic technique … but then again it would be useless to debate with you, wouldn’t it? I’m sure that other people will rally over to my side regarding those plotholes you conveniently overlook; but let us simply be contented that we agree to disagree.
August 30th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Yes because clearly someone’s physical appearance is totally relevant to the validity of their opinion on Honey & Clover and to the content of their character. Martin Luther King Jr. must be rolling in his grave right now. Mature man, extremely mature…..
I had actually thought you were better then that when I first gave you some credit for your last article. I could say a lot more about what I think of your credibility right now that has nothing to do with your physical appearance and everything to do with what you’ve said up to now, but I prefer to hold my tongue for unrelated reasons. We will agree to disagree, though don’t expect your argumentum ad populum to hold much sway. Just because people might agree with you on the idea that their could be plot holes I’ve overlooked doesn’t mean anything unless they come with evidence to prove them beyond a reasonable doubt.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Kaioshin (no “-sama” for you) said:
> At the end of the day again I’ll say that all that’s been proven is popular series get overrated
> on anime top ten listings. Heck you want to see something special? Go look at Anime News
> Network where Clannad After Story holds the 72nd all time Bayesian rating 2 months before
> the first episode even airs. That sure lends an air of credibility to these things. Lets all rage
> about that.
Wow, you really have the nerve. People poke fun or outright trash Geass (or Gundam, or whatever, especially if it’s from Sunrise) and you light up on them like white phosphorus. Yet you are more than eager to deride people’s like of material from a certain studio you dislike, be it the material itself or the fact it originates from said studio.
Three words best describe you: Pot. Kettle. Black.
At this point, you should probably watch out. I think you’ve managed to stir the hornet’s nest. Whether one of those hornets is one by what used to be known as McDonnell Douglas (now part of Boeing) with full armament trained on you, I have to wonder.
*grabs popcorn and watches the ensuing carnage*
Much love,
–IJ.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Kaioshin:
You haven’t read her other reviews. She gives low scores to most things that she reviews. I was jesting, but it seems sarcasm isn’t up your alley, too.
I did not invoke the argumentum ad populum; I did not even mention it in any way. Do remember, though, that if the eyes are shut, one cannot see.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Kaioshin, you’re an excellent troll and I can only hope to be as good as you one day.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
@IJ:
It’s called making a comparison. You want to point out where I derided a show I can’t possibly deride since it hasn’t actually aired yet then be my guest, but you’ll get absolutely nowhere. This is because all I did was highlight a similar example as the one Michael is pointing out in Code Geass as to why these polls aren’t valid since they have series that haven’t ended yet or haven’t even aired yet on them, even if he himself doesn’t know that he is. Sorry it had to be a Kyoani show that I used to draw the comparsion. What, are those off limits now? You’re the pot calling the kettle black here and the one light up on them like white phosphorus. I never argued that Code Geass has any right to be up on an all time best series poll, but you seem to have an issue that I would dare suggest a series that hasn’t even aired yet doesn’t belong on the poll just the same. You want some other series that are on the poll that have no business being there since they aren’t done? How about TJ_Hans Detroit Metal City? How about Macross Frontier? How about Xam’d Lost Memories? None of them have any right being on an all time best poll since none are close to be done yet, but you know what, it’s actually just a popularity poll, hence why Clannad After Story is on there as well despite not having even aired, because it’s popular.
You want to find fault with something where I’ve been more then fair then be my guest, but you just make yourself look like some petty renegade fansubber (I mean seriously, what fansubber goes around harassing somebody and trying to push buttons in vain instead of just minding their own business….FANSUBBING!) in the process and more of a fanboy then I could ever rightly be called.
Anyway nice try there with what I assume was supposed to be an insult, but like I said I don’t give a damn about Sunrise, never did, I just happen to like a lot of their shows and have defended points on Gundam and Geass in the past where the sole charge against them was that they were by Sunrise. Shows are more important to me then some corporate entity could ever be, unlike what seems to be the case with other people where the studio is as or more important then the actual show itself. Proportional response on the same level. Until you people all realize that you’re just going to be barking up the wrong tree.
Go running to your friend Ascaloth, get him to write all sorts of horrible things about me. How dare I hold contrary opinions to the majority. Look……I don’t care. Like I said I’ve pretty much given up on all of you people anyway so it really doesn’t matter to me at all. You people just believe whatever you want to believe and can’t even distinguish the obvious as to what I’m getting at when it’s right in front of your face so it’s not like I could ever win with you all anyway.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Kaoishin (no -sama for you) said:
> (tl;dr)
You, kind sir, need to learn, as Koda put it for Michael, “verbal economy”. In other words, say what you need to say in as few words as needed. I mean, for Christ’s sake, if you have a point, make it and be brief about it!
–IJ.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
@IJ: You are a fansubber. Mind your fansubbing business, do your work on Clannad After Story and stop the petty nonesense. Clear cut enough?
August 30th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
So anyway I stopped watching Geass after one of it’s nicer characters got meaninglessly shot dead recently by a guy the main character should have killed a long time ago but decided to use as a tool against his greater enemy (at a terrible unforseen cost to which i presume he’s as yet ignorant) so I’m kinda not up to date on what’s been happening but from a brief browse of this thread (sorry Kaioshin sama if i missed some nuance in your verbose expression of your opinion), in a nutshell, the thread creator is raging that Geass R2 made it to a list of top ten anime of all time (I’m kinda leaning towards your opinion here ;D) and Kaioshin, you’re wondering why anyone even cares?
August 30th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Kaoishin (no “-sama” for you) said:
> You are a fansubber. Mind your fansubbing business, do your work on Clannad After Story and
> stop the petty nonesense. Clear cut enough?
Much more concise. I like that in a person.
Enough about the style; on to the substance:
You will stop your own incendiary tactics against those shows and (and/or from) you’re quite the fanboy about AND stop harassing those who like the stuff you don’t like. If you can do both, then we MIGHT have a deal. Sound good enough?
Consider the gauntlet thrown.
–IJ.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
@Michael: Noted.
@miasmacloud: Actually I style myself as a monotony breaker more then anything. You worry about the trolling and let me worry about blank. Also cut me some slack on the math thing over yonder will you?
@Ignorantbystander: More or less yes. Thank you for trying to get things back on topic a little here.
These “polls” actually work like this from what I’ve seen, and I’ve been studying them since the year 2005 by the way. The more popular a series, the higher up it usually gets on these polls, usually reaching their highest point in the list at the peak of their popularity. The day Code Geass R2 came out it was ranked number 1 on the ANN all time poll with a median rating of 10. That’s just ridiculous and I guess people weren’t paying attention then, but that should have set the tone for things to come and shown just how easily manipulatible these polls are. In short they are about as useful for gauging a series quality as asking it’s biggest fanboy.
Like everything popular though it eventually gets replaced by the next big thing. Can you guess what happens to each series on the list when it fades from the limelight?
@IJ:
I’m sorry I don’t quite follow your first bit, but I cannot remember the last time I attacked anybody for liking something I didn’t like so that’s not a problem. I used to be like that, (would love to forget those days) but not anymore. In fact truth be told I actually quite like Clannad, mostly Kotomi though. Hush Hush…. :/
I think that settles everything hopefully?
August 30th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
CODE GEASS SUCKS I WANT MY LUCKY STAR BE BEST IT’S COMPLETELY NORNAL TO WATCH LITTLE GIRLS NO IM NOT PEDO I JUST LIKE LITTLE GIRL!!!! LUCKY STAR BEST IT HAS BEST PLOT EVER!!!!!! LUCKY STAR BEST!!! YEAH YEAH IM UGLY AND FAT BUT IT DOESNT MATTER BECUZ KONATA WILL ALWAYS LOVE ME!!!!!!!
August 30th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Kaioshin, you like Clannad and you like Code Geass.
Thus, your opinion is invalid.
Nice try.
P.S. It’s in the top ten because people are voting for the popularity/attention it gets, not the actual plot itself. I mean, hell, even Gundam Seed DESTINY > Code Geass R2, k.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Yeah, my apologies, I didn’t QUITE phrase it the way I wanted to.
But let me just simplify it a bit:
Be a nice fanboy and mind YOUR OWN bloody business and maybe, just MAYBE I’ll do the same and mind my own.
–IJ.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Um, by the way, Kaioshin.
I don’t know what you’re going to call this, but it seems pretty much an oversight or a humongous plothole: how can a 42 meter sphere kill 35 million people? It seems that our FLEIA is a weapon more inefficient than the H-bomb – of more than 50 years ago!
Correct calculations over at this site: http://trainwreck.ggkthx.org/2008/08/30/fleia-math-from-professor-fluff/
Just asking … because I really can’t fit 35 M people in a 42 meter sphere.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
@Michael: Does the blast radius in that look like a 42 meter square to you in episode?
August 30th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Should they have used the 40,000,000 L number, then?
August 30th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
No, but have you asked yourself whether he actually say 40,000,000 L in episode or have you considered that a) he’s referring to a different measure of destruction then volume or b) the translation is entirely wrong to begin with (it seriously sounds to me like he’s saying a word starting with “ni” instead of “li” followed by “tai”) c)that the bomb is based entirely in the realm of science fiction (which should be evident by the readout display with all that technobabble gibberish on it when it explodes) and thus follows it’s own set of physics.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Do you know Occam’s Razor? Or – it was an oversight by the writers. What seems more plausible: your theories, or my singular one? If they followed an SF method of measurement, why would they still use a realistic unit of it?
August 30th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Code Geass – Serious Maths.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Wow, people get so serious even on blogs. Like Code Geass or dislike it, doesn’t matter – it is all up to the individual. (and its a freaking anime, you expect them to have everything realistic?…lulz) I noticed the size of the hole that the nuke left, I thought for a second that seemed to be rather small for the number of casualties, but I just ignored the fact.
I watch anime for entertainment, I don’t bother nitpicking it apart.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
You know, Kaioshin, when you speak of the monotone of opinion… Well, if you only want to see negativity, then negativity is what you will see.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:10 am
Using Occam’s Razor, what seems the simplest solution to me is to examine what is right before my eyes, and that is that the radius of the bomb is huge. I don’t need to use Occam’s Razor to put up a debate though, I prefer reasonable doubt instead. I know you are desperate to try and find inconsistencies because you are currently in an uproar over the series popularity, not to mention I asked if you could, but there is a lot of reasonable doubt here in translation possibilities (which to me upon review sounds like “Ni Tai….” and not “Ritoru”) and actual meaning of what Suzaku said (which could as miasmacloud pointed out in her own article [although she has a LOT of facts wrong such as what primary and secondary casualties refer to and the death total] have been any number of things in the long list of technobabble gibberish that has surrounded this already science fiction based bomb. http://animehistory.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/snapshot20080830082817.jpg and does this not look like science fiction stuff to you?).
When in doubt, I give the benefit of the doubt.
Anyway, look, I’m trying to get off this topic and go to bed so I’ll make you a deal. If you can think of something in the series that is undoubtedly a plot hole and want to make a big deal out of it in this ragefest against this popular series then stop by my blog one time and just hit me with it. I’ll be more then happy to respond. Until then we’re just going to be locked in an endless debate.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:15 am
Don’t put words in my mouth, Kaioshin. What kind of debate is it when you do that?
I love the series, but I know its faults. Yeah, it’s better for us to stop. You won’t open your eyes, so it’s useless to point anything out. We can both stop here. I definitely heard ‘lita,’ or an iteration of that.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:20 am
You’re hearing “ni tai” as a result of “4000man ?? ijou no higai”. 4000man and ijou are definitely correct, the confusion is over what goes in-between.
Also, the conclusion of what the FLEIA stage death counts are from the anime itself. Why would I even make those up?
August 31st, 2008 at 12:25 am
@Kaioshin
>If you can think of something in the series that is undoubtedly a plot hole
Killing god, lol
August 31st, 2008 at 12:37 am
@Michael: http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/code-geass-r2-episode-12/
So do I. Anyway, truce is good.
@miasmacloud: I didn’t say you made them up, I just don’t believe that 10 million primary casualties (as in deaths) refers to that primary neutralize zone and that 25 million secondary casualties (as in injuries and missing persons) refers to the secondary neutralize zone. When in the anime did they refer to any “primary stage” as containing 10 million people and any “secondary stage” as containing 25 million, or did I miss some key scene?
August 31st, 2008 at 12:44 am
Kaioshin: But it does… In the Japanese they use the counter for stages/orders/sequences after the 1st and 2nd…
August 31st, 2008 at 12:46 am
Someone told me what Eclipse put, and I understand why you’re confused now. The problem isn’t that you missed something, the problem is that Eclipse put primary and secondary without putting something like stage after them.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:00 am
@miasmacloud: Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh……see that’s better.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:02 am
Bad science is bad science and anime is full of it.
Translation or phrasing issues aside, I’m not giving much thought to how those figures work out, since it doesn’t seem to make much of a difference in-universe either way.
“Killing god, lol”
Well, at least it’s not actually a literal “god”, lol.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:06 am
That whole list is just flat-out bizarre – they are mostly good shows (Code Geass notwithstanding), but none of them are THAT good. People are demented.
September 2nd, 2008 at 10:54 pm
ARIA BANZAI~
September 3rd, 2008 at 2:27 am
As long as ARIA is in #1, everything’s fine.
Though… I’d rather see R2 up there than Naruto, Bleach or any other overrated KyoAni series. :V
September 8th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
is everyone here 14?
September 10th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
I like Kaioshin. The thing I’ve learnt from him is that he loves jumping onto other people’s forums/blogs/personal diary/whatever screaming walls of text and whine how the mass public fails to understand him on his own blog.
Yet I can’t fully ignore him since while literally all of his posts scream ‘I’m a pretentious, arrogant asshole and all of you guys are idiotic pricks unworthy for my presence’, occasionally he writes some pretty damn good articles. Real shame his attitude sucks and fails to see how he’s pretty much a model hypocrite.
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:27 am
Please,somebody to give me a link for anidb top 10