Comments on: Code Geass R2 – 21: a total failure, or the operative term is hypocrisy http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-21-a-total-failure-or-the-operative-term-is-hypocrisy/ hopefully incisive and intellectual disquisitions on anime Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:36:12 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Michelle http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-21-a-total-failure-or-the-operative-term-is-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-107437 Michelle Sat, 30 May 2009 02:17:49 +0000 http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/?p=258#comment-107437 Does This Work? Does This Work?

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]]> By: Michael http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-21-a-total-failure-or-the-operative-term-is-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-90362 Michael Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:04:16 +0000 http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/?p=258#comment-90362 @korosora That's a good alternative. @RyanA CONGRATULATIONS, LELOUCH! @karry But a lie can never be the truth. It would be contradictory, thus failing the Kantian condition for universalizability. Um, and that was an allusion ... @korosora

That’s a good alternative.

@RyanA

CONGRATULATIONS, LELOUCH!

@karry

But a lie can never be the truth. It would be contradictory, thus failing the Kantian condition for universalizability.

Um, and that was an allusion …

]]> By: karry http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-21-a-total-failure-or-the-operative-term-is-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-90348 karry Wed, 03 Sep 2008 05:34:24 +0000 http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/?p=258#comment-90348 "Also, when a lie is made into a moral law there will also be a blurring, if not a total dissolution of the idea of truth. " I really dont think thats how it will happen. If lie is made a moral law - it magically turns into truth. Presto ! If EVERYONE lie - that means no one does. Its like in some countries you agree by shaking your head, and in others by nodding. The meanings are opposite in their respective countries, but its still the same thing. "For example, I will never forgive a Judas Iscariot." Why not ? What did he ever do to you ? It was all in the evil Jew god's plan in the first place, was it not ? Poor Judas, framed and betrayed by his god... “Also, when a lie is made into a moral law there will also be a blurring, if not a total dissolution of the idea of truth. ”

I really dont think thats how it will happen. If lie is made a moral law – it magically turns into truth. Presto ! If EVERYONE lie – that means no one does. Its like in some countries you agree by shaking your head, and in others by nodding. The meanings are opposite in their respective countries, but its still the same thing.

“For example, I will never forgive a Judas Iscariot.”

Why not ? What did he ever do to you ? It was all in the evil Jew god’s plan in the first place, was it not ? Poor Judas, framed and betrayed by his god…

]]> By: Ryan A http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-21-a-total-failure-or-the-operative-term-is-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-90307 Ryan A Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:54:20 +0000 http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/?p=258#comment-90307 Illy composed episode, I didn't like Charles and Marianne's or <em>idea</em>, was a bit too Eva done wrong for me. And the one shounen moment of the entire series turns the tides on Charles, go figure... I'm should go listen to <em>Millions Living Now Will Never Die</em>... :) Illy composed episode, I didn’t like Charles and Marianne’s or idea, was a bit too Eva done wrong for me. And the one shounen moment of the entire series turns the tides on Charles, go figure… I’m should go listen to Millions Living Now Will Never Die… :)

]]> By: korosora http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-21-a-total-failure-or-the-operative-term-is-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-90301 korosora Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:52:30 +0000 http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/?p=258#comment-90301 you should probably just skip all the talking scenes and just play the ones featuring kallen and CC and Cornelia and random hot skimply dressed girls. episode 21 went by really fast for me. you should probably just skip all the talking scenes and just play the ones featuring kallen and CC and Cornelia and random hot skimply dressed girls.

episode 21 went by really fast for me.

]]> By: Michael http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-21-a-total-failure-or-the-operative-term-is-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-90254 Michael Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:47:15 +0000 http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/?p=258#comment-90254 @Anonymous - 1 While that is highly plausible, it has not yet been established as truth; thus, I still venture. @lolikitsune lol.jpg :) @frey I have the same doubts. This episode's overweening theatricality, however, was too much for me to bear. Or, as the two posters above you have noted, they may have been just pulling shit out of their asses @jp_zero This is correct. Kant was a genius way, way ahead of his time. Or, they could also have just been trolling us, in which case they are ... simply ... wonderful. @Camario I agree, there are ways. Viewed from a regular, critical perspective, however, it fails in so many levels. @ Kaioshin Some people are just not that willing to suspend their disbelief to an extreme level. I guess I'm one of those people, which is why I perceive of it to be a bad episode. @Anonymous - 2 Err ... okay. @Anonymous – 1

While that is highly plausible, it has not yet been established as truth; thus, I still venture.

@lolikitsune

lol.jpg :)

@frey

I have the same doubts. This episode’s overweening theatricality, however, was too much for me to bear. Or, as the two posters above you have noted, they may have been just pulling shit out of their asses

@jp_zero

This is correct. Kant was a genius way, way ahead of his time.

Or, they could also have just been trolling us, in which case they are … simply … wonderful.

@Camario

I agree, there are ways. Viewed from a regular, critical perspective, however, it fails in so many levels.

@ Kaioshin

Some people are just not that willing to suspend their disbelief to an extreme level. I guess I’m one of those people, which is why I perceive of it to be a bad episode.

@Anonymous – 2

Err … okay.

]]> By: Anonymous http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-21-a-total-failure-or-the-operative-term-is-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-90241 Anonymous Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:36:20 +0000 http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/?p=258#comment-90241 Actually I lied. Geass is pretty damn deep. Actually I lied. Geass is pretty damn deep.

]]> By: (Anime - TV) Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch R2 21 - Metareview | Minimum Tempo http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-21-a-total-failure-or-the-operative-term-is-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-90217 (Anime - TV) Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch R2 21 - Metareview | Minimum Tempo Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:14:54 +0000 http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/?p=258#comment-90217 [...] anime|otaku… I would be in disagreement with the people who think that the episode was excellent. Allow [...] [...] anime|otaku… I would be in disagreement with the people who think that the episode was excellent. Allow [...]

]]> By: Kaioshin Sama http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-21-a-total-failure-or-the-operative-term-is-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-90162 Kaioshin Sama Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:21:17 +0000 http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/?p=258#comment-90162 Now this is a viewpoint I can acknowledge, even if I don't entirely agree with it. Can't argue with a post that's actual stated as an opinion though. Anyway it's good to see you are back to these kinds of arguments instead of worrying about the shows place on a popularity poll. I kind of hope you'll keep it that way as thoughtful criticism beats blind raging any day of the week. I think I stand closest to Camario on this one, which seems to be the norm. This episode survives purely on the willingness of a viewer to interpret it. If there's any major fault in the way Code Geass' story is told it is that. Essentially the show gives as much ammunition to people wanting to bash it as it does to people wanting to enjoy it praise it, all based on the viewers own interpretation. Like I've said elsewhere though, I had no trouble interpreting it in a way that made it work out fine, so I enjoyed it quite a bit. Not enough for a 10/10 lol epic, but enough for an 8/10 pretty good, but with some minor flaws. Now this is a viewpoint I can acknowledge, even if I don’t entirely agree with it. Can’t argue with a post that’s actual stated as an opinion though. Anyway it’s good to see you are back to these kinds of arguments instead of worrying about the shows place on a popularity poll. I kind of hope you’ll keep it that way as thoughtful criticism beats blind raging any day of the week.

I think I stand closest to Camario on this one, which seems to be the norm. This episode survives purely on the willingness of a viewer to interpret it. If there’s any major fault in the way Code Geass’ story is told it is that. Essentially the show gives as much ammunition to people wanting to bash it as it does to people wanting to enjoy it praise it, all based on the viewers own interpretation. Like I’ve said elsewhere though, I had no trouble interpreting it in a way that made it work out fine, so I enjoyed it quite a bit. Not enough for a 10/10 lol epic, but enough for an 8/10 pretty good, but with some minor flaws.

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