That’s where you’re wrong. The majority opinion is that of R2 being awesome. We, as bloggers, are actually NOT the majority of the people. I’m judging by my standards for quality, and not others. I wouldn’t have raged if I agreed with the majority voting for R2, wouldn’t I – that is, as a top five anime series of all time?

The show being laughably bad is my opinion. But it’s an opinion I share with bloggers, and it’s an opinion I would treasure more than the majority.

Why are you considering us bloggers to be the majority? That’s blatantly untrue. In fact, I’d argue I’m unique compared to a lot of people because I can tell the difference between what I like, and what is good.

I also loved Gurren Lagann (in fact it currently sits atop my list of all time favourite mecha anime) and find it to be a better show then Code Geass R2 by leaps and bounds, but understand this. Just because you think Code Geass R2 is “laughably bad” doesn’t mean it is and that everyone who disagrees with you is somehow blinded by fanboyism. Especially considering that there are many Sunrise series I would not touch with a ten foot poll and that list starts with Mai-Hime/Otome, but doesn’t end with Gundam Seed Destiny. The thing is, you don’t get to decide for anyone else whether they are wrong in their opinion that R2 is a good show since everyone has a different measure of quality. And no I’m afraid to say that majority opinon is not a valid measure of the standard for high quality. Not for something as intangible as entertainment. This is where I rest on this rather circular debate since I’m not about to entertain the notion that one’s taste in light entertainment is somehow a valid measure of their intelligence.

Just because you disagree with my contention doesn’t make me a troll. The post wasn’t trolling in the first place. Grow up.

Look, it’s not my fault that you don’t convey your “enjoyment” of the show in your writings. Considering your supposed focus on the kiss was about a paragraph in length (mostly consisting of how you think Karen is stupid and that she’s acting out of character and not actually about a kiss) and every article you write about the series carries negative overtones it’s kind of hard for me to get the impression that you enjoy the series as a opposed to just wishing to heap flak on the show. Especially after that let’s rage at Geass topping a popularity poll one you wrote a while back. That set a negative tone for your articles that you have yet to break, so yeah I think you appear to be mostly heaping flak on the show. Your articles on this show all start in negativity and end in negativity, so how exactly am I supposed to get the impression that you enjoy the show. Again not my fault if your words appear to contradict your feeling that the show is enjoyable.

I feel like I’m wasting my time here though. It’s easier just to assume this is yet another trolling/baiting article on the series (which pretty much all Code Geass episode summaries have become on animeblogger) and be done with it like most of the other blogs on this show I’ve sworn off reading.

I don’t know. I’d like a happy ending because they’ve gone so far and have done so much. I know they didn’t do it in the best of their demeanors (lol) but I still can’t help and hope for these people. It would just be too tragic otherwise if I didn’t become optimistic.

I didn’t cry, but I actually almost did. That was a very beautiful ending … simply beautiful.

And yes, that’s very true about TTGL, it’s definitely an awesome ending (and series)…I didn’t expect it to be the “happiest” in the world, but a certain twist seemed a little “we want this to be BITTER too”.

Let’s get this straight. You’re an idiot for thinking I seem to just want to heap flak on the show. I would argue that I’m a lot more forgiving compared to most people, but I guess you can’t see this as well, being a Sunrise fanboy.

‘Clear cut.’

You’re the one who spouts on interpretations and stuff. The title of the post is ‘evaluating the kiss.’ I didn’t post as if it were fact; you should shut up with regard to saying it was ‘clear cut,’ too.

‘Unexpected power-up [...]‘

Oh, come on. They were one of the best knights, and they were one of the best mech pilots in the series. That’s why they were called knights. Most people expected more of battles, and less of pushovers.

I wasn’t even arguing that the episode was crap. The title is ‘evaluating the kiss.’ Did they teach you in English that the title suggests the topic of the post? My title wasn’t ‘Code Geass R2 – 22: SHIT AND MORE SHIT.’ Your arguments are all straw men. I was aiming to dissect the kiss; I don’t give a damn if you think it is the best thing since sliced bread.

‘not making sense and logical fallicies [...] your interpretations of this episode are so full of holes and out their expectations/interpretations that it’s no wonder you never enjoy any of what this show has to offer’

Keep going on with your straw man arguments. It’s a very good sign of your INTELLIGENCE .

I enjoy R2. I wasn’t expecting anything, or even much. This is R2; anything is possible. Of course I know the ending will be bound in tragedy. This is why I said, ‘I would like to end them happy.’ I didn’t say, ‘They must end up happy.’ These are two different statements; your English teacher should have told you how to tell between the two.

Is this what you do now? Create straw men arguments which are neither the gist of my post, or the central idea of my post?

This makes me very, very disappointed in you.

Camario:

I’m not expecting much. This is R2 after all. While I would like for that to happen, I’m more certain someone important will die and the series ends on a rebuilding process. TTGL’s ending was awesome, even if it wasn’t the happiest of endings.

On one hand, expecting a happy ending for Lelouch, Kallen and C.C. is only natural, on a personal level we develop a liking for certain characters and thus wish good things for them (I’m in that same boat…heck, I’d want exactly the thing Michael does), but on the other, Kaioshin has a point in that we shouldn’t expect too much for it’s also entirely possible that we may get less or nothing, for one reason or another.

It doesn’t necessarily mean we cannot depend on hope, just that we should be aware of its limits and…well, sometimes what we want is not what we are going to get. Whether that’s inherently bad or not will depend on the details, even if we may still otherwise dislike it.

I’ve seen plenty of endings that I both liked on a certain level and utterly loathed on another…TTGL’s is one easy example that comes to mind. It’s not what I wanted, but it’s something I can appreciate.

As for R2, I’m in “wait and see” mode, even after the (sourced) spoilers…not much else.

“Kallen should have understood that he treasured her more than simply a pawn, which was saying a lot.”

And that’s what did happen! Jeez….I guess when they leave a lot of things up to interpretation the viewers will get confused, but the kiss scene really wasn’t left all that much up to interpretation. It was pretty clear that it was a sentimental farewell (or so they think as long as the Zero Reqiuem) is on schedule and that Karen realized that Lelouch wasn’t going to let her tag along on this self-destructive path. Clear cut.

“There was the abnormal power-up of Strike Freedom Lancelot Albion; there was the pathetic defeat of the four Knights;”

Unexpected power up? Considering it was ready almost a month before this episode (episode 20) and never got used and is the product of months of research on the Guren that Llloyd performed (episode 10-17) AND the product of Cecile’s Energy Wing applications, I don’t see how it’s an unexpected powerup. As for the four knights, I don’t know why people have such a massive issue with the death of Dorothea, Bismarck and Monica. Dorothea never had any development beyond being a Knight of the old order (Charles order) on a suicide mission and she got what she came for. Monica is the same, and Bismarck actually put up a pretty good fight. Not the best battle ever and certainly not a fair or balanced one (so kind of like your average review on this episode by the blogosphere), which was I might add also the point, but I don’t see the need to dwell on the result.

If this is your evidence for why this episode is crap then you need to try harder. I know you really have a hard on for trying to portray this show in the worst light possible but you’ve got to try to prove it at least as hard as you are trying to dislike the show because it’s popular. I’ve seen you do this, but stating your subjective interpretations (”The episode, of course, did not make sense for the most part.”) as if they are objective fact (Would have been “I cant’ see how this episode makes any sense”) again isn’t cutting it I’m afraid. Unless your one of those 5 people I see on every Geass episode article like this.

“I’m both a Kallen shipper and a C.C. shipper. In fact, I would like for both of them, along with Lelouch, to end up happy. I’m not siding with any girl for the ending.”

Therein lies the problem I think, your own perspective. You are watching a Sunrise MECHA series with a shipper’s perspective and expecting a sugary happy ending. Not only that, but how do these expectation make sense if you even follow the course of the shows tone from the last 5 or so episodes? I mean you want to talk about not making sense and logical fallicies….your interpretations of this episode are so full of holes and out their expectations/interpretations that it’s no wonder you never enjoy any of what this show has to offer. Like are you deliberately trying to set yourself up for excuses to complain further down the line?

You do know what happens to lovers in a Sunrise mecha anime don’t you? You do know what type of ending their “love stories” usually have don’t you. No this isn’t a falsehood like the whole ressurection deal or the trainwreck ending, this is the real deal….just be forewarned, don’t expect anything more positive then a bittersweet ending and Lelouch standing side by side with Suzaku and maybe one other MIP that’s neither Karen nor C.C near the end.

I’m calling it right now and if you end up disliking the future episodes because your expectations for shipping aren’t met then I know whose problem that’s going to be. Not mine or the producers. Can’t help you there…..