Code Geass R2 – 25: So is Lelouch dead or not?
Now, I didn’t originally think of this, but it made a lot of sense to me when I pieced the puzzle together with the help of /a/nons’ perceptions.
My take is that Lelouch is alive.
The most obvious reason would be CC calling to Lelouch in the closing scene of the episode. As we can assume CC to be still sane, she must be talking to someone, and that someone would most probably be the driver of the cart: Lelouch would have to be alive.
Second, however, and this is where the others have thought things through, Lelouch is alive because he got his dad’s code. He beckoned the World of C to lend him its powers, and he took Charles’s code before Charles passed on. The reason why Lelouch still has his Geass is because he didn’t take the Code from the same person who gave him his Geass: he took his Geass from CC, and he took his Code from Charles. Thus, he now possesses both immortality and a Geass. This is also a reason that the title is Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion.
To further corroborate this, however, remember that when Nunnally held Lelouch’s hand he transferred his memories to her. CC also did it when Lelouch touched her accidentally back then, so it could be assumed that people with Codes are indeliberate telepaths. This leaves us with both immortals traversing the world for the rest of eternity.
It’s a great end, friends. 
P.S. Ending line of CC translated by bibi: “Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you… well, I guess thats a little wrong… eh, Lelouch”
P.P.S. Additional evidence, courtesy of `Nergal and 4chan:
1. Charles grabbed Lelouch with his right hand, which had the Geass sigil.
2. Lelouch needed the fully evolved Geass to transfer a code.
3. The code doesn’t appear to activate until someone dies. Hence, why C.C. was wounded when she first inherited her code. Same happened with Charles in the World of C.
4. When Lelouch touched Nunnally, Nunnally got a flash of his memories. This ONLY happens when a high potential Geass user touches someone with the fully evolved Geass.
5. The title of the series is “R2″, which is similar to how “C.C” is pronounced. So Lelouch would be “R.R.” which is Engrish (I presume) for L.L., Lelouch Lamprouge.
6. When C.C. is talking on the wagon, she says “the power of Geass brings loneliness…that’s not quite right is it, Lelouch?” and nods her head in the direction of the wagon driver.
P.P.P.S More evidence, courtesy of an intelligent anon from 4chan:
Orange knew of Lelouche’s and Suzaku’s plan and helped them out by ordering his men not to fire on Zero, he even smiled when Zerozaku jumped on his shoulder.
Now would Orange, a man who devoted himself entirely to Lelouche and threw away everything without a second thought be OK with a plan where the sole person he wants to protect in life is actually killed? The answer to that is NO, not even if Lelouche ordered him to accept the plan: he would not go along with it and would protect him with his life. There is only one way that Orange would be OK with a plan like that and thats if he knew about Lelouche’s immortality, which I assume he did as he worked with V.V. in the Geass research base. Orange was OK with this plan as he knew Lelouche would come to no harm and would be able to start a new peaceful life with the woman he loves in a world which he himself had made peaceful.
Even at the end, we see Orange on his orange plantation, completely content with the way things have panned out, he definitely could not be that happy had Lelouche actually died.
There it is, firm evidence of Lelouche’s immortality if the scene with C.C. and the cart driver wasn’t painfully obvious enough.
(I corrected a few spelling errors and run-ons, but preserved the original thought. It’s also quite convincing, if you ask me.)
Tags: Anime, Code Geass, reflections
September 28th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Lelouch is dead.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Agreed. But anyway, the subs will clarify everything imo.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
First stage is denial.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
LELOUCHE IS DEAD, ALL HAIL ZEROZAKU.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Kaze : PROVE IT !
September 28th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
I’m not even pulling things out of my ass. He lives, and the plot corroborates this. Urkh.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
I agree with you but Sunrise is full of dirty niggers for not making it more clear. FUCK YOU FAGGOTS, SHIT SUCKS.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Post updated.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
CC’s last sentence is one more proof that he’s alive, yeah.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
C.C.’s words in the end translated: “Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you… well, I guess thats a little wrong… eh, Lelouch”
September 28th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Someone’s lurking on /a/.
I think Lulu is dead, much as it pains me ;_;
September 28th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
bibi: chigatteita
September 28th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
“..powers, and he took Charles’s code before Charles passed on…”
When did this happen? I think it was not explicit that Charles’ code passed to Lelouch; nor did I observe the geass symbol (which supposedly is the symbol of immortality) appearing on Lelouch’s palm.
September 28th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Simply amazing!
September 28th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Yes, it’s awesome.
September 28th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Lelouche took a penis to the heart. Sadly, he didn’t survive. And Suzaku got his sick kicks off.
I AM CONTENT.
September 28th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
I’ve always wanted to say this. This is aimed at a few people.
People claim that us /a/ssholes don’t pay attention to Geass and can only spam FABULOUS FABULOUS HOMOLUST SPINZAKU ORANGE-KUN. That and we’re internet trolls who love hacking people’s accounts and whatever. No, that’s /b/ you bloody fanatical idiot and learn your memes for god’s sake for discussing them. You look like Fox News.
We’re doing far better than whatever is currently happening in a certain Anime forum. Though that’s hardly hard to achieve.
September 28th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
I think Lelouch is alive too!!
When Mao dies, C.C. never see him again… Marianne was alive and for that she can talk with her too… and, if C.C. is talking with Lelouch is ’cause HE IS ALIVE!! x3
September 28th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
“5. The title of the series is “R2″, which is similar to how “C.C” is pronounced. So Lelouch would be “R.R.” which is Engrish (I presume) for L.L., Lelouch Lamprouge.”
So, If that’s right, the name of C.C. is Elizabeth overall, ne?:
C.C. = Sissy –> Some people calls Sissy to woman called Elizabeth =P
If all is pronuntiation, this explains R2 = R.R. –> L.L. in english = Lelouch Lamperouge
September 28th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Look this image x3!!
http://i34.tinypic.com/rr1bpx.jpg
We’re happy now!! xD
September 28th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
wth is he alive i say yea
September 28th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
I think he is alive.
A thing on the code transfer – did you notice that the geass first worked on Charles and when he died his code activated? The same with CC – there was blood on the floor and she had to die (bleed out, there was a big pool of blood) to activate the code.
So to get the code fully, you have to die – just what Lulu did. He Geassed people who are responsible for his body beforehand.
Next – why did Suzaku and CC cry? Tears of joy – we just think they are crying for Lulu. They know about his code (Suzaku maybe not…).
ANOTHER THEORY is that Charles gave CC his code before he vanished and CC gave Lulu the code later…
I’ll stop here.
September 28th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Sorry, didn’t see point 3.
September 28th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
so we need to wait for the real anwser?
September 28th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Lulu is dead.. sorry.. people love him so much.. they make theories that make almost no sense so he can be alive.. its almost like Elvis.. I wish he was alive too… we can only wait until the Directors final statement I guess..
September 28th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
BOB:
Um, I don’t think I don’t make any sense. I created those theories from context, and corroborated them with other people. They’re quite sensible in the Geass universe; I’m sure I didn’t pull it from my ass. You have to die for the Code to activate.
September 28th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
anyone cry at the end?
September 28th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
All people who says that Lelouch died is for all that people doesn’t understand the end, sorry guys, but he is totally alive =P
September 28th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Long live Lelouch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 28th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Lelouch:
I for one didn’t because I was so happy. Even then I believed and understood that Lelouch lived and was with CC, so I was smiles and cheers.
September 28th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
i agree yea in my heart………………of anime…………..
September 28th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
i think he is alive. he must be, he is the man, who creates miracles right
and c.c is happy too, so lulu must be alive, cause lulu has a promise with c.c (c.c’ wish).
so in my opininon, two immortal gone their ways together. this is best ed.
well this theory true or not, who cares ? ill believe what i want
greetings from istanbul.
September 28th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
How about this one…
http://cdimg2.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/09282008/e/a/0/2/ea0255f3f37670_full.gif
someone told me that it’ll show in OVA names “C.C.’s wish”
September 28th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
i think luluoch is the guy driving the horse with C.C at the end, just as cc says right lulouch at the end she raises her head higher a bit and says the last phrase louder.
September 28th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Shit,i now want an OVA or some sort so badly.
September 28th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Also some further evidence is when Lelouch orders Charles to kill himself. Maybe that’s when Charles’s code activates that he got from V.V. Also to people saying that taking a Code from someone kills that individual, V.V. died later(at least from what I remember and not just automatically when Charles took his code). However the main question is why did Charles give Lelouch his code? It’s pretty much a given that Lelouch survived(IMO) but who gave him his Code?
September 28th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
sunrise did a great job
if you want him to die, he died
if you want him to live, he still lives
it depends on the fans
so at the same time there is a chance for a third season and on the other hand there isnt
great ending, great anime, all in all, EPIC
September 28th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Here’s an idea: Maybe you can’t “give” the code and it just gets transfered if the code tatoo thingy touches a person whose geass is developed enough. Would sort of account for how C.C. wasn’t able to “reject” the code when the nun gave it to her.
September 28th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
[Hachichan Says:
September 28th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
How about this one…
http://cdimg2.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/09282008/e/a/0/2/ea0255f3f37670_full.gif
someone told me that it’ll show in OVA names “C.C.’s wish"]
Amazing great!!!! *-*
LUV that animationnnnnn!!!! xD
September 28th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
here is one more possibility, remember the time when Sayoko became lelouch when he was at china fighting a war. Lelouch could have done the same thing by use his geass forcing someone to do it for him…
September 28th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Oh, it was the same picture I posted in my most recent post!
I have another picture – see for yourself: http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-25-for-fans-of-the-cc-and-lelouch-pair-like-me/
September 28th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
IF lelouch is dead, then there is ONE big question: WHY did nunnally recieve images when she touched lelouch? tell me the answer to that, and explain with something other than lelouch having the code, and then i will agree that he is dead.
for now, we do not know who gave lelouch the code, or if suzaku knows, or if it was lelouch with c.c. in the end. but, it was indeed a little bit wtf when charles grabbed lelouch with his code-hand. i agree with everything written in this post (not the comments but the real post).
September 28th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
If Charles DID intentionaly transfer his code to Lelouch then I’m guessing it was either an act of “live forever and suffer” or “sorry for being a bad dad, here, have immortality”. lol
September 28th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
*sob* hes dead but, il denie it to th end! ALL HAIL LELOUCH!
September 28th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
anon:
I think it’s more of the ‘live forever and suffer.’ Charles isn’t really known for niceness.
KuMo:
Exactly. That pretty much sealed the deal for me.
September 28th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Great theories.
The clincher is probably the memories-transferring-to-Nunnally one. That’s an internal anime rule that has stayed pretty consistent so far. Only immortals can transfer memories.
September 29th, 2008 at 12:40 am
I think you hit the nail on its head! That’s what made the ending the best ending it could have. Thank you very much, you’ve made my day!
September 29th, 2008 at 12:41 am
[...] UPDATE: Code Geass R2’s ending isn’t as simple as it might seem. Going with the unpredictability of Code Geass and that it’s a Sunrise/Gonzo production. There’s probably more to it: http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-25-so-is-lelouch-dead-or-not/ [...]
September 29th, 2008 at 12:43 am
HE’S DEAD.
DEAD
DEAD
DEAD
And that ending line, she stated how geass can be used to bring people together and ask Lelouch if he agrees.
Who also died earlier?
SHIRLEY.
In the end those two lovers were reunited.
September 29th, 2008 at 12:51 am
Lelouch is alive. Anyone who says otherwise hasn’t paid much attention throughout the show. Well, kudos to to lelouch for literally destroying and recreating the world not in his image, but according to the will of the people.
The result? He gets to live carefree while suzaku is stuck behind that stupid mask having to sneak around all day to hide his secret identity. Folks, lelouch got the good deal here, carefree life with C.C. the hot babe while Suzaku aka Zero is the caretaker of Nunnally. No wonder Lelouch said sorry to Suzaku. Lol. But it’s kinda mean to nunnally though, he should seek her out one day but hey, HERE’s something for everyone to ponder. IF lelouch know before hand that he’s not going to ‘die’, then shouldn’t nunnally know about it through memory transfer? Or perhaps it was just limited memory transfer. Hmhm.
September 29th, 2008 at 12:57 am
The wagon driver have black hair:
http://www.duose.com/p/2008/0928/78274_203125.jpg
xD
September 29th, 2008 at 1:09 am
Anarel, you’re awesome.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:12 am
If you have watched Code Geass completely and understand it to its fullest then you know that Lelouch is alive. Whether you like him or hate him, all the proof is given. The fact that C.C. calls his name in the end is all the more proof.
Some people analyze it too much and say she was just talking to him to herself, but that’s not the case if you notice the many other hints.
Also, the producers said a while back that both Lelouch and Suzaku had a happy ending.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:13 am
Seems pretty obvious that hes still alive. They also focus in on the origami at the end. Remember Nunally taught Lelouch to make the crane in season 1? So unless we’re supposed to think C.C. took it up in her spare time.
Anyways they’ll leave the possiblity open that hes still alive if they think theres any chance of still making more money off Code Geass.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:20 am
And there is something else… Why didn’t they show the face of a driver? They could show some oldman as a driver or someone else, but they didn’t show him. So we have another clue to our riddle
September 29th, 2008 at 1:27 am
Aguchan : Yeah. It’s pretty obvious the writers wanted to make the viewers wondering about this masked driver until the last second (when CC calls Lelouch’s name).
September 29th, 2008 at 1:27 am
[Anonymous Says:
September 29th, 2008 at 12:43 am
Who also died earlier?
SHIRLEY.
In the end those two lovers were reunited. ]
Hey man, who cares Shirley?? T__T
Please, the end was totally LxC and Lelouch is A-L-I-V-E!!!
People really can’t understand what Geass is…
September 29th, 2008 at 1:30 am
[Nergal Says:
September 29th, 2008 at 1:27 am
Aguchan : Yeah. It’s pretty obvious the writers wanted to make the viewers wondering about this masked driver until the last second (when CC calls Lelouch’s name).]
Totally obvious… please, this end is great, and for understand it we have to see twice the last scene and know what Geass is =P
Pretty cool!! Lulu is alive ^^
September 29th, 2008 at 1:30 am
I’m about 50/50 on this issue…and the episode as a whole, to be honest. o_O
I’d like him to be alive and with C.C. but the more I think about it, the more I tend to think it’s too ambiguous to make the call.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:36 am
[IF lelouch know before hand that he’s not going to ‘die’, then shouldn’t nunnally know about it through memory transfer? Or perhaps it was just limited memory transfer. Hmhm.]
@Loba: I think Nunnally is sad because she can’t spend the days with him anymore. I mean, ok he’s alive (I believe it!) but Nunnally can’t see or talk to him anymore. That’s something like he’s dead.
Sorry for my bad english, can’t explain it ..
September 29th, 2008 at 1:48 am
Didnt Marian had some kind of Geass to transfer from one person to another (before she died when V.V killed her). What if??
September 29th, 2008 at 2:04 am
I was originally thinking of Lulu somehow being in the world of C and C.C. can communicate wiht that world like shes talking in her imagination like she did with Marianne the whole anime till she died
September 29th, 2008 at 2:08 am
Loluch is alive thats what i thin and the most ppl
September 29th, 2008 at 2:11 am
after i finished the episode i had a strong feeling that he’s alive [could highly be the drive], then i came here, and LOL, DAMN you guys analyzied it so much xD now the feeling is stronger than ever.
And it seems like Kalen also realized/guessed/found out, that what Lelouch was trying to acheive through all this at the very end when Zero [suzaku] came out.
MAN! I would HATE to fight a war against Lelouch, hahaha, screw that!
September 29th, 2008 at 2:22 am
orange isn’t a teenage
i don’t think that orange wouldn’t have gone with the plan if he knew Lelouch was going to die
because of his loyalty he would’ve accepted that his decision and be happy for him that he was able to complete his plan succesfully
September 29th, 2008 at 2:23 am
Damn, that’s pretty fucking convincing man. We’ll see in time. I’d love for Lelouch to be alive though, not sure if this will/can lead to R3 but I sort of hope so.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:39 am
Btw, in episode 24, lulu ordered schniezel to serve ‘zero’ specifically, which we can see him in episode 25. which means, lulu is still alive!
September 29th, 2008 at 2:46 am
Dont forget the pink crane at the end that nunnally taught lelouch how to make.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:53 am
The driver is Craft Lawrence.
/sarcasm
September 29th, 2008 at 2:53 am
[...] question, at least for now, is whether or not Lelouch really died at the end. There is speculation that Lelouch was actually the man driving the cart C.C. was riding at the end. I guess [...]
September 29th, 2008 at 3:03 am
C.C. = Sissy –> Some people calls Sissy to woman called Elizabeth =P
Well FYI they dont say it sissy instead shitsu
September 29th, 2008 at 3:08 am
thats swat i’m talking about
just plain obvious
oh…did you mention why the hell C.C. would carry Nunally’s origami
or that Suzaku’s death was also faked?
September 29th, 2008 at 3:09 am
C2 = CxC = C.C. = Sissy = Elizabeth = antother game of Sunrise…
September 29th, 2008 at 3:10 am
NOW LELOUCH IS DEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.
This is because I do not want an R3. Unless it’s fuckin’ AU with Lelouch/C.C’s daughter.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:12 am
I think its open to interpretation, much like Shadow Of Colossus’ ending.
If you want him to be dead, you can justify it.
If you don’t, you can as well.
Until the directors say anything, it’s not true.
Some other helpful things, though:
1- The crane symbolizes long life. IE- Immortality. It fits in with CC.
2- Remember the DeathNote OVA? How Ryuuk says “Isn’t that right, Light?” or whatever? Well, you can talk to someone who’s passed away like that. But its also open to speculation that light was the shinigami. Same thing applies here.
Ultimately, I think they did a great job with the ending.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:18 am
on a side note ppl origami represents c.c’s wish
and c.c was taught to make origami when nunnaly was making 1 in season 1 so c.c’s wish
indirect point of lulu alive
September 29th, 2008 at 3:18 am
I think he is alive……………………….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 29th, 2008 at 3:19 am
this episode is great , i cried much for lulu , well i was like he cant be dead. but the way they talked so i was like okie .. he is dead .. but thanks to this now i am SSURE he is alive , this is pretty amazing analysing good job. <3
September 29th, 2008 at 3:22 am
Great thinking.
This ONLY happens when a high potential Geass user touches someone with the fully evolved Geass.
This statement is sort of incorrect, as CC has saved lelouch by imposing memories on Suzaku during the cornelia led battle at that volcano or whatever mountain they were holding during the first season. Suzaku went berserk as a result. THough that might be another of her abilities.
What bugs me sort of is the kind of sword suzaku uses to kill him, looks more like some relic than a normal sword. Any thoughts?
September 29th, 2008 at 3:30 am
I think that Lelouch is alive beacuse C.C. called his name andd beacuse of the whole immortal code thing but something that got me pissed off is that we never got to learn CC’s true name.
But anyway this episode was really really sad =(
September 29th, 2008 at 3:39 am
code geass wouldn’t be code geass if they have to show a boring happy ever after story. it makes us think if he’s dead or alive. it wants us to keep on guessing even if the series has ended. but at least it gives us hope that he is. i can feel it in my bones that he’s alive hehe
September 29th, 2008 at 3:40 am
NANNARIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Suddenly
Stairs!
EVERYWHERE!
September 29th, 2008 at 3:50 am
lelouch is alive. duh. but the third season won’t be code geass: lelouch of the rebellion r3. it will be code geass: something or other to be filled in later, since lelouch is no longer rebelling.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:54 am
It looked like CC’s forehead tattoo was gone too. And she did seem pretty happy. Maybe Lelouch took her code, and now she’s going to live out a normal life while he gets to see this happy world he’s created?
September 29th, 2008 at 3:54 am
If i may point out. do you notice how schniezals(sp?) eyes still have a red tinge in the clip with suzaku/zero and him on the right…shouldnt the geass affect have died along with the user.
MORE EVIDENCE
September 29th, 2008 at 3:56 am
mm the eyes appeard red for schniezil after lulu died ? i didnt see that
September 29th, 2008 at 3:57 am
When Nullanly was seeing all of Lelouch’s memory’s, there was one that stood out quite a lot and that was Charles code flying at Lelouch. So that’s something that could help meaning that he did get it.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:09 am
Hi, i google around and found your blog’s post.
I would agree to your statement, that Lelounch has acquire Geass + Code which made him immortality just like his Dad.
I felt that, this series shall continue but .. they is no story continue about at all.
I, personally very in love with political and war.. like this unique anime~
Code Geass ftw~
September 29th, 2008 at 4:12 am
would like to confirm something from you guys … when Lulu geassed Charles, did the red outline appeared?
if it did, then that could be a possible proof that Lulu is still alive and the theory that one has to die for the code to be activate . . .
September 29th, 2008 at 4:16 am
“If i may point out. do you notice how schniezals(sp?) eyes still have a red tinge in the clip with suzaku/zero and him on the right…shouldnt the geass affect have died along with the user.
”
MORE EVIDENCE
no not really when vv (or was it charles i for gto :p) died nullanly was still blind and cripple…
but lelouch is alive ppl only immortals can transfer memories
but if he did die cc could have been talking to lelouch in the world of c
WELL ITS UP TO THE PRODUCERS AND THIER FINAL STATEMENTS!!!!
September 29th, 2008 at 4:18 am
(sry for the double post) bside an ova the series shoudnt contine or it will DESTROY THE FEELING OF THE STROIES EPIC-NESS
if they are then it should be a whole new story and just incoperate the geass in it
September 29th, 2008 at 4:21 am
lelouch is dead. get over it.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:31 am
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September 29th, 2008 at 4:34 am
NOOOO! Lelouch isn’t dead! you know why? cuz i said so…no jk i think theres pretty much all the evidence above that says hes alive. he must have taken the code and now he can live on forever and ever.
oh yeah my brother jakethesnake3713 says that Jeremiah has now found the wonderful world of pedophilia
September 29th, 2008 at 4:34 am
I too think Lelouch is alive. The thing that stuck with me, is the memory transfer. C.C. did it to Suzaku and she specifically stated she showed him some shock imagery from her past, from what I remember at least. This implies that they do have some control over what memories they show people. Next, Schneizel’s Geass rings didn’t disappear. He’s still serving Zero/Suzaku at the end of episode 25. Then there’s the fact that C.C. speaks up as she adresses Lelouch. Conversely you could say that she’s speaking to him in the world of C but meh. I say he’s alive.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:34 am
Lelouch is still alive. He has Charles’ Code which he received when the man choked him. The Code activates first when you die, which happened. And before you say can’t have Code and a Geass at the same time, the Code wasn’t the one C.C. had, meaning that Lelouch was the first one to achieve Code Geass. He’s now travelling the country-side with C.C., living as immortals.
That’s the only reason for C.C. to be suddenly so happy again. Also, before you say that C.C. was just talking to the dead like with Marianne, that’s not true. She could only talk to her because of the nature of her Geass which allowed her to implant herself into the “hearts” of others. That’s how she was able to talk with Marianne. Lelouch’s Geass was entirely different, meaning that she could only have spoken to him if he was there.
Also, the screenie of the cart driver who is masking his features competely supports this.
What further supports this is that Nunnally got Lelouch’s memories when she touched her, just like Lelouch did when he touched C.C. back in Narita. The only way this could have happened is his Code activating. This pretty much confirms that he has the Code and is alive.
C.C.’s words in the end translated: “Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you… well, I guess thats a little wrong… eh, Lelouch”
So HE LIVES
Then he 100% alive
September 29th, 2008 at 4:44 am
“Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you… well, I guess that’s a little wrong… eh, Lelouch?”
I imagine CC said this was “a little wrong” because, after all, she and Lelouch are together, arent they? That sneaky couple…
Thank you for this post! It makes a whole lot of sense and I am fully convinced. Now I can happily wait for doujinshi and fanfiction/fanart.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:46 am
Please don’t cheapen his death. His death was the death of a true hero, sacrificing yourself for the greater good.
The only proof you need to explain that he died is the fact that C.C. cried at the church, Suzaku cried for KILLING his friend, and Nunnally cried after receiving the flashes and realizing the plan. Notice how even after learning of the plan through her brother’s thoughts, she cries over the fact that it will become a world WITHOUT him.
If you really want to know about Nunnally’s flashes, Nunnally was originally suppose to be given the power of geass with the ability to read the lines of the future. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunnally_Lamperouge
But due to that fact that the anime was forced into a train wreck everything was cut short as you can notice in the lack of explanations of operation ragnorak and the past, present, and future philosophies.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:47 am
Madara Devile la Darvania ..
you took the words right out of my mind .
September 29th, 2008 at 4:48 am
Nunally only has Geass in the Nightmare of Nunally, which is an uncanon spin off.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:49 am
overall .. this is what I really have to say…
To those who want him to be dead, then let him be dead…
To those who want him to be alive, then let him be alive…
we all have our own interpretation on the ending so lets leave it just as that….
(btw, am one of those people who want him to be alive regardless of the method/theory on how he lived)
September 29th, 2008 at 4:49 am
7. This isn’t strictly relevant, but I find it interesting. In Greek mythology (well, the ‘Bacchae’, at least) Cadmus is a mortal king married to an immortal woman, Harmonia (sometimes Hermione). After a long life of his family screwing stuff up, Dionysus comes and topples his empire and kills his family. Then he says ’sorry for being a dick and stuff’ and gives Cadmus a ‘gift’/'curse’: he and his wife are turned into twin immortal snakes and compelled to roam the Earth in a hay-wain forever. Cadmus is also given mind-control powers. FAMILIAR?
September 29th, 2008 at 4:53 am
These discussions remind me of all the confusion that went down with the whole End of Evangelion ending. Then again, THAT was way more cryptic and confusing than this IMO.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:00 am
@lolololol
The scene looks like Spice and Wolf indeed
Craft Lawrence being the carriage driver.
We all know that Craft Lawrence’s seiyuu was Jun Fukuyama, who lends his voice to Lelouch too.
That’s hell of an irony. Damn producers
September 29th, 2008 at 5:00 am
[...] you know, there’s always the cynics, doubters, etc, etc, and I’m one of [...]
September 29th, 2008 at 5:08 am
“Next – why did Suzaku and CC cry? Tears of joy – we just think they are crying for Lulu. They know about his code (Suzaku maybe not…).”
LOL…dumbest thing i’ve read like ever. If you don’t understand why people cry, you should go watch another anime, this one’s probably too profound that you’re actually making silly interpretations of the simplest of emotions. LMAO tears of joy, classic LMAO you should jump a cliff
i’ll cry for you, and mine would be for joy
As for lelouch, it’s a controversial ending like always. I’m not surprised if he’s dead or alive. There’s no point in guessing it too much…like how all other previous “SPOILERS” were rumored about how Nunally was a secret agent and stuff, mostly plain bull lol. So what i believe is, it’s entirely up to the viewers. It’s like a fate stay night ending …you can feel the good the hero has done and be happy about it or feel sad that he’s dead because of it lol
September 29th, 2008 at 5:14 am
I have 1 doubt, despite the good evidence that Lelouche is alive. Remember those scenes with CC kneeling down at the church altar? Why would she be crying over Lelouche’s “sacrifice” if she knew he was going to survive?
September 29th, 2008 at 5:21 am
CC nods towards the driver in the end, refering him as lelouch.
In Eureka7, the protagonists survived too…
September 29th, 2008 at 5:22 am
Misty: Because he’s condemning himself to her fate. She’s crying because immortality isn’t exactly a good thing to have, as far as she’s concerned. He’s taking the plunge for her and can’t help but feel sad over it.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:25 am
Uh, although I do think Lelouch might be alive…I think when C.C. said “Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you… well, I guess thats a little wrong… eh, Lelouch”, she meant that the Geass didn’t isolate him from society/his close friends since he’s going to be forever remembered by everyone. Also, his friends in the end, didn’t shun him when he “died”, because they all knew that he was doing it for good. All this happened even though he has the Geass; so i’m going to assume thats what C.C. meant when she said “I guess thats a little wrong… eh, Lelouch?”
September 29th, 2008 at 5:31 am
For all of you who’re determined to convince us that Lelouch is dead, why the hell do you guys care what we think? Is it wrong to believe Lelouch is alive when there’s all of this information that suggest he is? or is it perhaps you guys can’t handle the fact that there are people in this world with different opinions as you do?
I think he’s alive, you don’t like that? too bad.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:31 am
I’m not really trying to force my opinions on people. I just don’t want people to misunderstand the Lelouch which the writers have created.
Lets just look at the 2 types of endings people are going for:
Alive – Lelouch does all that as an act, so he can force Susaku to spend the rest of his life under a mask. He instead leaves his adorable sister and runs off living happily ever after with C.C. wow… some hero.
Dead – Lelouch takes responsibility for all his actions. In order to pay for the cruel deeds he has done, he will allow the world to do a cruel deed to him (put himself under the control of Geass).
Please the let hero die a hero instead of making him a irresponsible and selfish boy.
These silly “proofs” are the creation of people that look too deeply into things that have little meaning and ignoring great scenes that the director have shown us like the scene with C.C. in the church.
Ok lets reason on their level then. Their strongest “evidence,” C.C. talking to Lelouch on the hay. Ok lets look at little stupid details. You say she looks back and talks to Lelouch? She was facing the sky at an angle of 55 degrees and moves for head to about an angle of 65 degrees and you call that looking back? thats more of looking at the sky and thinking out loud.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:39 am
eureka 7:
Ah – I hadn’t thought of that. In that case, she would have cried since he’s leaving behind his life (i.e. relationship with Nunnaly, etc) and not because he was choosing immortality (she would’ve already known)
Gii:
I, too would prefer Lelouche to be dead, and that CC can communicate with him through the world of C or whatever. I just feel the immortality cheapens the heroism of his sacrifice/death.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:41 am
Strongest evidence? that made me go lol. And yeah try looking backwards while not moving your head and in that position. Pretty tough job eh?. Sometimes human anatomy fails so hard in anime
)
Anyway go spice and wolf ending…loved it
September 29th, 2008 at 5:46 am
I don’t think you guys get the point…Immortality is far much worse than death.
Sure, now Suzaku and other have to look after the world during their life time.
However, Lelouch and C.C. have the responsibility to look after the world for eternity.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:51 am
55 degrees to 65 degrees?? wtf are you talking about?? its from 60 degrees to 79 degrees…get your fact straight. kthx bye.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:52 am
one possibility is lulu didnt know charles’s code got transfered into him when he died it activated thts why nunnaly able to see his memory and stuff and c.c got her wish too
and Lelouch is the english name real name is Rurushu u can chk it in wiki and geass site so wht the post said abt r2 may be true rurushu=R2
and no need to say ppl foolish to thinnk he is alive/dead whtever u want believe
man they shud make a movie c.c’s wish or sumthing and if they make new season it will be
Lelouch of wandering lol
September 29th, 2008 at 5:52 am
To all ‘Lelouch must die’ people out there, here’s some interesting facts on why Lelouch is alive:
Jeremiah seems pretty happy knowing Zero will kill Lelouch. Suspicious not?
Nunnaly had a ‘memory transfer’ upon touching Lelouch, trait of a Code immortal. Don’t tell me Nunnaly ‘lie detect’ hands now can absorb and read memories of other people too?
C.C’s conversation with Lelouch at the end; it’s either she’s talking to herself (huh? then her lines don’t make sense) or with the cart driver
People keep thinking C.C can talk with the dead but no, she can talk to Marianne because of their Geass connection else she would know whether Nunnaly is dead or not before turn 22
September 29th, 2008 at 5:56 am
Gii: I actually completely disagree that living makes Lelouch a selfish and irresponsible boy. I’m willing to bet most people here who support the idea of him being alive disagree with you as well.
You seem to think that you’re Lelouch’s champion or something, protecting him from us ’silly people’. Why not stop trying to talk down to everyone else like we’re all errant children, and instead approach it like a person truly out to debate? Maybe people won’t think so poorly of you and ignore you.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:57 am
Once Orange-Kun discovered the world of the Pedobears, he instantly forgot his obligations to Lelouch.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:58 am
i agree with all you say! Lelouch its a live it makes all sense! I hope they do a movie or something
n_n
September 29th, 2008 at 6:01 am
Lelouch is dead. End of story. The cart rider is not Lelouch >_> She’s talking to herself/toward the sky like she would when she pretended to talk to Marienne. Also, Nunnally didn’t see his memories per se, but more the feelings he had while he was dying, that is focusing the world’s hate towards him.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Hyoru: I disagree. Nunnally has never shown this ability before, and thus canonly doesn’t have it. There is no reason to believe Nunnally spontaneously gained this ability, either. The only person who has ever been able to do the memory-thing are people with the Code – aka immortal.
And she didn’t pretend to talk to Marianne, she really was talking to her.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:05 am
“LOL…dumbest thing i’ve read like ever. If you don’t understand why people cry, you should go watch another anime, this one’s probably too profound that you’re actually making silly interpretations of the simplest of emotions. LMAO tears of joy, classic LMAO you should jump a cliff
i’ll cry for you, and mine would be for joy”
LOL, THIS is the dumbest thing I’ve read, ever. If you don’t understand that people can also cry tears of happiness, then maybe YOU should jump off a cliff.
I’ll laugh instead.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:07 am
I totally agree with your theory, there are just too many hints towards it, for Lelouch to not be alive would make all those hints towards Lelouch becoming immortal pointless.
Also, even if he did truly die there, we did in a way get a Lelouch x C.C ending, because they were contracted, when the contractee dies he goes to the world of C. Weeeee spending an eternity with Mao competing for C.C’s affection isn’t that fun?
It’s one of those theories without a doubt, I’m content with both, but I personally prefer the first.
R.R X C.C WH00PIE!
September 29th, 2008 at 6:12 am
obviously Lelouch is dead
i mean, orange-kun is now so devoted to his loli that he doesnt care lelouch dies or not, zero can stab him anytime of the day and he’d still be smirking
and nanali just know everything about lelouch’s plan and even seen some memories of his thru her newfound powahzz! not coz lelouch’s some immortal with memory transfering ability as seen before in the series
n ya c.c is obviously talkin to herself coz she’s kinda crazy now. i mean she’s all lonely now but says to herself that geass won’t make you lonely and even ask an imaginary lelouch about it
September 29th, 2008 at 6:12 am
something tells me nunally knew that lelouch has to leave forever and not DIE.
because she said “what is tomorrow without you?” Interpret this as nunally knowing lelouch
will never be able to see her again.
In the end, when nunally shook hands with oghi, she looked happy enough. Only 2 month later and shes already empress of the world and smiling? I think not.
kudos to the memory transfer thing, remember how anya, lelouch, and suzako all got memory shocks from CC.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:14 am
Lelouch is alive and somewhere he and C.C. are having mad passionate immortal sex
September 29th, 2008 at 6:15 am
I want to add what has been said one of the forums I’ve read as another proof that Lelouch is alive. The Ragnarok only works with two codes. Ragnarok not working equates to the world’s end. World ending means no tomorrow for everyone which defeats the purpose of the Zero Requiem. I think Lelouch took the code from his father and became the bearer of one of the codes with CC having the other. I mean who else would have it????
September 29th, 2008 at 6:22 am
um Gii , you still have not broken the most damning eveidece for Lulu being alive…
when nunnally touched him there was a memory transfer that ONLY happens to those who have a code.
it also when you think about it explains the name for the series CODE+GEASS
so the C.C. talking on the hay IS NOT our best evidence of L.L. being alive
September 29th, 2008 at 6:25 am
I think it is very clear that Lelouch is alive, especially since Orange-kun is on that plantation smiling. Considering his personality and devotion to Lelouch, it is pretty obvious he would not be behaving that way, even if he was commanded to accept the “peaceful” world LL had gone out to create. And where was CC? Probably on a cart traveling in that same planation. All living happily ever after with Jeremiah, the girl who lost her memories, and, ofcourse, Lelouch.
Also, an additional point. There was an entire story line in that anime involving CC and LL. Lelouch was supposed to free CC as others could never do so in the past. If he just dies and CC remains immortal or unhappy, then Lelouch also failed CC… Would a CC who realizes that be smiling on the back of a cart on that plantation? And when has CC ever spoken to the dead? To her she sees them all as painful memories, not people she can pray to. Also, if Lelouch was dead, he would definitely be isolated.. Not brought together as she suggested at the end. Why would she say what she said if Lelouch was not now together with her and their new family?
And one final point. There is a scene where CC is praying in the church as Lelouch is about to be stabbed by the sword. At first glance, you might think the “punishment” for using Geass was death… However, why would she see that as punishment when she herself had wished to die so badly? Rather, she regarded immortality as a curse… And so the punishment of the Geass is that Lelouch would now be immortal.
Though it is up in the air as to whose code Lelouch might now possess. Charles is a possibility, but then again it might be CC. Just because you lose your code doesn’t mean you die… Though most people would probably kill themselves the moment they lost the code. Perhaps CC is now mortal, Lelouch is immortal, and therein is his punishment. Of course, the happiest ending would be that they are both immortal… And so they can love each other for eternity.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:26 am
And as for Suzaku, most likely he did not know that Lelouch was immortal and only Orange and CC knew it… Or perhaps Lelouch didn’t know it either until after he was impaled by that sword.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:27 am
Given a choice between believing he is dead or alive, I choose to believe ALIVE simply because whether he truly died or faked it does not matter, because his death seems real to almost EVERYONE WHO KNEW HIM. Since there DOES in fact seem to be two options, why wouldn’t Lelouch choose the best one?
Lelouch has died to his friends and family,
but not to me.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:33 am
Well it’s similar to Cowboy Bebop ending, we don’t know if Spike really dies or not. Like Lelouch it also like that.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:34 am
Why do you need to change a perfect end cauz it’s not a fucking “american happy end” ?
Lelouch is oubviously dead, that was the sacrifice he did for the world, and that’s what’s beautifull in that end.
CC speak to leelouch like you speak to dead people when you pray nothing else.
The only reason Nunnaly seen leelouch was that the director thought that would be to cruel than Nunnaly didn’t know the truth.
Leelouch, with his only will and mind destroyed the world and created a new one wich offer a “tomorow” to everyone, end of the story.
ps : scuse me for the bad english
September 29th, 2008 at 6:39 am
[kami Says:
September 28th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
sunrise did a great job
if you want him to die, he died
if you want him to live, he still lives
it depends on the fans
so at the same time there is a chance for a third season and on the other hand there isnt
great ending, great anime, all in all, EPIC]
i agree, but these kind of endings is the best yet the most annoying ones….
if you like this kind of ending, i believe you will like animal farm (a book) and Mx0 and Pretty Face (both are manga) ’s endings
September 29th, 2008 at 6:41 am
Well.. you can take it either way that Lelouch is alive/dead but I think Sunrise killed him off, and I believe he is dead.
Lelouch is dead:
1. Zerosuzaku was crying after piercing the sword through Lelouch. If Lelouch has the code, it wouldn’t be necessary for Suzaku to cry right? I mean, I guess Lelouch could keep a secret that he became immortal but I don’t see how that would make sense because he’ll be breaking the promise he made about the Zero Requiem. Plus, C.C. was also crying at some church because she knew he was going to die.
2. It would defeat the purpose of Lelouch being alive because Zero Requiem was to concentrate all the hate towards him and die, which is his punishment for killing so many people. Staying alive and living happily with C.C. would go against this.
3. Remember Nunnally can tell if someone’s lying or not by holding their hand? She did this with Lelouch and saw the truth and doesn’t mean Lelouch has the code.
4. If Lelouch was really alive I don’t see how it can be R2, it would be L2… I thought R2 stood for Rebellion2 Oo;;
5. When Charles grabbed Lelouch’s neck, which his hand had the Geass sigil, it doesn’t really mean his code went to Lelouch… I mean, that would mean the sigil would be on Lelouch’s neck right? It didn’t show the code transfering to Lelouch before he finished his daddy off and that I don’t think Charles wanted to give Lelouch the code and Lelouch didn’t want to accept it either.
And his favorite line: “Those who can shoot are the ones who are prepared to be shot” or something.. and yes, he was prepared.
4chan:
I can see how it’s hard to let Jeremiah just stand and watch his master get slaughtered but remember… Jeremiah has great loyalty to Lelouch and he knew Lelouch’s wish was to have world peace and that could only be granted by his death and that’s what he wanted.
So here are some questions..
1. WTF is C.C.’s real name?
2. Did C.C. give her code to Suzaku? Because his punishment was to act as Zero *forever*
3. Toudou x Chiba??
As far as I know there’s no 3rd season, but I do hope some of these questions can be answered on the DVD (commentary, picture drama..) drama CD, etc.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:44 am
As far as I recall, C.C. didn’t actually say what Lelouch decided to do as atonement for geassing people “on air”, mind you.
She might have as well cried because he decided on immortality, which she herself already experiences and finds painful.
Well, no matter what, it would seem that they just left it open for interpretation. Or, which would be much more interesting, they left those several clues listed here to make it into a riddle of sorts, which only the brighter viewers could solve, in the end coming to the conclusion that Lelouch is probably alive.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:46 am
About the final line:
If lulu is dead, that means the power of kings will isolate you. However, C.C believes “…thats a little wrong…” = lulu is the first case that has the power of kings and is not alone. =D
I assume “not alone” means you are still alive.
btw, is there an official meaning of R2? I always thought it meant Round Two until I heard R.R today. awsome!
September 29th, 2008 at 6:48 am
Where is sayoko in the ending? No summary or screenshot has her in it.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:49 am
it’s pretty well know that in romanji they do not have L’s i have no idea why as it makes spelling certain things a nightmare
September 29th, 2008 at 6:52 am
omg he is not dead..if he was then cc would be dead to man…but she didnt die that mean he is still alive man
September 29th, 2008 at 6:53 am
Nunnally didn’t see Lelouches memories. If you watch closely that part you can see that she is touching him and nothing happens… When the flashbacks begin its like if Lelouch is remembering everything he went through. She doesn’t see them, if she did see them then she would’ve reacted to them but she didn’t. >.> Stop kidding yourselves. LELOUCH IS DEAD. Geez, deal with it you anime freaks. (No offense).
Besides it would’ve been a crappy ending if he would’ve survived. I hope they don’t make another season and just leave it like that.
PS: English is not my main language so if you see major grammatical errors please point them out.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:53 am
And to further a point I made before, what is the natural progression of a Geass user? CC had the geass of “love me”, while her master was immortal and merely preparing her to take her place the whole time. As she also sinned in twisting the hearts of people against their will, so did Lelouch, and in the end they would share the similar fate of suffering through immortality. Then again, perhaps in the end they found a way out of that “suffering”, and broke the cycle of pain together, just as Lelouch had brought an end to the cycle of violence by his martyrdom.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:54 am
Lelouch IS DEAD u retards the only way he could become immmortal was by killing C.C. Since we see in the last episode that she is alive he is not immortal and is not alive any more SO THERE IS THE EXPLANATION. If u want to Argue you are retarded Bye
September 29th, 2008 at 6:55 am
Jas*
Who said C.C would die if Lelouch died? >.> Don’t be ridiculous.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:55 am
k ill reply to you geass.
1,2. Because lelouch didnt know he have the code , and it only activates when person is about to die like charles and back at c.c’s memories.
3. if he is lying or no , but she cant just see the memories of any person by holding hands? wtf.
4. go wiki , Lelouch is Rurushu in japanese , so thats r.r.
5. we cant prove that point , but u cant disprove it either , and well since charles was being absorbed by c’s world , he should have been like , be immortal and suffer forever? thats kind of person he is.
Lelouch > All
September 29th, 2008 at 6:57 am
um at 19:01 nunally jerks back as the memories hit her she is INDEED seeing lulu memory’s of what the zero requiem is
September 29th, 2008 at 6:59 am
I’m content with knowing that there are people that actually understood the story and the philosophy which Lelouch held. I won’t continue this argument.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:00 am
Interestingly, there was a paper crane on the hay next to C.C., presumably folded by Nunally. It would have been quite absurd for Nunally to give C.C. a paper crane; the crane was probably meant for Lelouch.
Besides, Nunally was shown smiling, with Zerozaku pushing her wheelchair. If Lelouch had indeed died in a heroic self-sacrifice, it will be unlikely that Nunally can recover so quickly from the trauma.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:00 am
uh..Upa… Nunally DID see his memories, otherwise she wouldn’t have changed her reactions all of a sudden and said “you two were…all along…”. Listen carefully when watching that flash back scene, there was a slight “Geass sound” which suggest there was a memory transfer.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:00 am
Since when does taking the code of an immortal instantly make them die? VV only died because he got owned in the Siegfried and the Nun killed herself or something if I remember right.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:01 am
well for those of us who say that lelouch had no geass symbol on him(or his palm) let me just say that after that we dont really see every part of his body that has made contact with a “code”, but sadly I dont think that he survived
September 29th, 2008 at 7:01 am
Regardless, it can go either way and everyone could sit here arguing for days or maybe years. We won’t know until maybe the DVD release of R2 (More picture dramas maybe?) or some comments from the director.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:03 am
@Gii
“I won’t continue this argument.”
‘Cause you know you lost, kthxbye.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:06 am
@Clumsy
Love the 5th point you made.
Charles gave Lelouch his code because he wanted his son to suffer. Now that explain why Charles choked Lelouch plus lelouch did not feel great pain from the choke.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:10 am
I think enough pros and cons have been made. And it seems very likely that Lelouch is alive. Hey, animeotaku.com, if you guys ever get something from the directors regarding a final answer on this, post it! I’ll be watching this blog for a long time just for the hope of seeing that.
Anyway…. LONG LIVE LELOUCH!! LONG LIVE LELOUCH!! LONG LIVE LELOUCH!!!
September 29th, 2008 at 7:11 am
…commands the internet, spawn more trolls!!
September 29th, 2008 at 7:11 am
At 19:01 Nunnaly doesn’t jerk back. She’s looking down crying, holding Lelouches hand. Then we can see Lelouch’s face as he is dying. After that they change the angle and we see both Nunnaly and Lelouch in shadow mode as the flashbacks begin. Nunnaly still has her face down. After that Lelouch closes his eyes. And Nunnally realizes that Lelouch has died and starts screaming ONI SAMA.
SO AT NO POINT NUNNALLY SEES THE FLASHBACKS.
PS: The flashbacks start when he is saying. “I will destroy the world, and recreate it”. >.> Don’t you guys see the connection there? HE WAS REMEMBERING
I must be blind because i have seen that part like 20 times today and still don’t see where all of you get that Nunnaly sees the flashbacks.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:11 am
YES, YOUR HIGHNESS!!!!
September 29th, 2008 at 7:12 am
Dmo*
She reacted only when Lelouch finally died. Not when the flashback began.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:15 am
he still lives, everything adds up. But oh well, at the end it’s up to you whether you think he deserves to die or not. It was clear that author wanted to give viewers an open ending.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:16 am
after touhing lulu hand nunally says and i quote
“no way… all this time you’ve….”
that was after touching his hand and seeing about the zero requiem
September 29th, 2008 at 7:18 am
@Upa
uh…no. Dude, watch 18:40 – 19:15. This all happened WHILE LELOUCH’S EYES WERE STILL HALF OPEN.
Exact Lines:
- Brother?
*touches his hand*
*memory flash, with Geass sound in the background*
*Nunally’s eyes widens*
- It can’t be…
- Brother… you were… all along…
*tears up*
- Brother, I love you!
Lelouch: yeah… I…
- …destroy worlds…
- …and create them…
*Lelouch dies*
September 29th, 2008 at 7:25 am
The question is…?
If Lelouch is alive ..
When is the nxt season? :<
lol…
September 29th, 2008 at 7:26 am
Lelouch may be dead but its a good ending.
This is what C.C meant on her last sentence.
“Geass may isolate people, but can also be used to bring them together”
Looking up the sky and saying “Right? Lelouch.” also means he aint in the world anymore.
Great ending! I was moved to tears.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:27 am
@Dmo
first i thought, where the fuck did you see that, because i was looking at the scene when nunally and lulu were black and in the background you saw bright flashbacks
but no, you meant the scene when he touched his hand
there is totally that geass sound in the background
but come to think about it
maybe sunrise wanted it to end that way, that we all keep guessing around if he is alive or not
and then they will do a special dvd with an ova which everyone of us buys to see if he is alive or not, which of course we wont be seeing
and they gonna do the same to the new gundam! a super cliffhanger anime XD
September 29th, 2008 at 7:28 am
upa you are only partially right. those images shown after he says that he destroys and creates worlds ARE memories BUT the flashbacks come way before that and thats exactly at the point where he slides down the”ramp” after being stabbed and nunally touches his hand. there she sees the his memories and after that she says “it cant be.. brother you… were.. all along” obviously realising lelouchs real plan.
AND @ the scene with the wagon at the end i somehow think that suzaku was driving the carriage (he needs to be incognito since hes officially dead) and the things c.c. said are not meant for the carriage driver (which many believe is lelouch) but for the “dead lelouch in heaven”.
however I DONT WANT TO BELIEVE HES DEAD so im gonna hope that lelouch is driving the carriage.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:35 am
Oh, P.S., yeah I don’t think the flashback thing and Nunnully has anything to do with Lulu may be having Charles’ Code. We have known for a while that Nunnully is a freaking supernatural (for no apparent reason), that she could tell if other people had lied by holding their hands. So… it was actually Nunnully who realizes that her brother did the right thing afterall because she probably figured that her brother lied to her about wanting to control the world and wanting to kill everyone against him. There is nothing about flash images that Nunnully saw.
So, everything is an assumption, technically. We were not informed that if a person can have both Code and Geass together, nor do we know the exact method of how a person would inherit a Code (I think the author purposely did that, to leave an open ending, and possibly other reasons).
But one clue that was kind of obviously suggesting that Lulu is sitll alive would be the last thing CC said “Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you… well, I guess thats a little wrong… eh, Lelouch”. That’s like the only hard evidence that suggests Lulu is still alive, and then everything kind of adds up from the anime (how he was the only one who killed Charles, he even asked Suzaku to back off to confirm to viewers that he killed him, which makes him a very possible person to inherit the Code). Plus, there is no indication or whatsoever that CC has a hallcinational personality, so it is improbable that she was crazy and just talking to some imaginery person. It’s possible she talked to a ghost, but really would she say “I guess that’s a little wrong….” about the king’s power makes you lonely if she was only talking to someone in her memory?
But of course, you can always interpret what CC meant as “Lelouch is not alone even after he died because he will be remembered and everyone understood what he did to bring world peace. Thus, everyone is at his side at the very very end and everybody is united afterall”
But okay, EVEN If Lulu didn’t recieve Charles’ code, it is also very VERY probable that CC gave her code to him the last minute (the part showing her being in the church praying, which resembles the location CC got her code, kind of can be a clue for that). You all realize that at the last scene when Lulu was on the moving throne, he didn’t have geass eyes anymore. So you know, this could also be another possibility so that Lulu is still alive.
It’s apparent that there are more evidence to suggest that Lulu is alive than dead, although none of them are actually strong enough to prove anything. So the bottom line is… believe what you want the ending to be, it was obviously intended to be an open ending. In my ending, Lulu got Charles’ code and get to nail CC 24/7 forever and ever, =P.
Great anime and great ending.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Suzaku can’t be the carriage driver, he’s too busy to drive a fucking hay cart now he’s Zero.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:39 am
P.S.S I hope this is it, no R3… It ended perfectly, I love it. Please don’t make it end crappy because the series was making a lot of money….
September 29th, 2008 at 7:39 am
um , me again being able to tell if someone is lying is a regular skill you can learn as well especially with the fat she was blind there was nothing supernatural about her being able to detect lies.
HOWEVER her seeing her brothers memories that was not normal..and unless they suddenly broke the rule on the last episode ONLY code users can transfer memory.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:40 am
Jacky +1.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:50 am
Lelouches Kanji name is ルルーシュ・ランペルージ, wich is translated into Rurūshu Ranperūji, Wich would be r.r the title of the anime itself contains R2 wich would refer to the R.R, sunrise didn’t clarify because the truth is in the animes title itself, along with all the other hints of him being alive, not to mention why the hell would a wagon driver wear somethign covering his whole body so u cant see his face or hair….. he doesn’t want ppl to see him. That why c.c was talking to him.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:54 am
I feel bad for Micheal for having so many people spammed his replay box
September 29th, 2008 at 8:01 am
I like sexy anime girls getting bounded by boys. =)
Believe what you will, I just want a 30 min ninja episode of Lelouch & C.C playing and having fun with Zero aka Suzaku being big boy.
<3
September 29th, 2008 at 8:08 am
For the people who say that C.C. was talking to the crane at the end because Nunnally made the cranes thinking of Lelouch, I’ll point out that she was told if she made enough cranes her wish would be granted which was at the end, if I’m not mistaken for Lelouch to live. I may be wrong but that would make sense and hint that he survived because he inherited the code from Charles. Just discrediting the argument that the crane was what C.C. was talking about thinking of Lelouch. I for one think hes alive
September 29th, 2008 at 8:18 am
u know….Lelouch did get in contact with a “code”,which is charles.For me,i believe he’s alive and travelling with C.C. around the world. ^^
September 29th, 2008 at 8:19 am
“well_theend Says:
September 29th, 2008 at 3:54 am
If i may point out. do you notice how schniezals(sp?) eyes still have a red tinge in the clip with suzaku/zero and him on the right…shouldnt the geass affect have died along with the user.
”
MORE EVIDENCE
I went back and watched that scene, and I do believe the geass rings around Sneizel’s eyes were still there. While watching that, I also realized something else, why would Sneizel serve the new “Zero”, if the geass was gone? It’s definitely not in his character to do that. Which brings me to believe that Lelouch is still alive, which explains Sneizel’s continued servitude to Zero—not Lelouch, which is what Lelouch commanded him to do when he was geassed. Every other time, Lelouch said “Lelouch …blah blah….commands you”.
The thing with the cart driver, it’s rather ambiguous since he’s all covered up and all… but I do think CC is talking to Lelouch at that instant and not to herself. The last couple sentences that CC says, makes me want to believe that she intended to point out that having immortality might get lonely, but since the two of them are together, they won’t be lonely. —-> Good ending
All those ppl that related lelouch’s name to being R2 and etc….. —> i never would have noticed that and I don’t think it’s coincidence either….Long Live Lelouch!
September 29th, 2008 at 8:22 am
I tought Lelouchw as alive becuase of all the reasons you stated plus the crane
Nunally taught Lelouch how to make the peper crane at the end of the first season right and it was next to CC in tht cart..meaing Lelouchs had to make it and put it there
well im kinda confusing people, but Lelouch is totally alive
LelouchxCC forever!
September 29th, 2008 at 8:23 am
I so totally agree that Lelouch is NOT dead. ALL HAIL LELOUCH! ALL HAIL LELOUCH! ALL HAIL LELOUCH!
September 29th, 2008 at 8:24 am
I still don’t get the significance of CC’s real name.
September 29th, 2008 at 8:29 am
Jesus people.
If Lelouch is alive or not doesn’t matter.
The ending was meant to be open, get over it.
Either way, it doesn’t matter what you say or think, because; We’ll never know without the truth being said from the anime’s creators.
Peace <3
September 29th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Season three can be maybe at some point in the future, perhaps a hundred years later, when the you know what hits the fan again and a new Revolution is necessary. Then Lelouch can play as the new CC with a new Geass User…….
Nah, totally lame, but the Japanese might just do it! Think about all the Godzilla movies!
September 29th, 2008 at 8:38 am
@ Believer: that a geass user dies might not mean that the geass he casted upon people gets cancelled.
best evidence is nunnaly aboard the damocles. the fact she cant see and walk is due to her father charles’ geas which can delete and rewrite memories.
hmmm the scene with the carriage leaves only tho conclusion despite c.c.’s last words. and thats either the driver is lelouch or suzaku. its hard to tell because neither do you see suzaku nor lelouch after the killing scene. its probably intended to be an open ending which im really tired off seems like japanese people have an affinity for such endings however overall its not that bad.
September 29th, 2008 at 8:39 am
p.s. nunally does see now but i meant she couldnt for a while even after the death of charles.
September 29th, 2008 at 8:52 am
One detail, the pink bird tha appears o the wagon with C.C., the first time it appears is in episode 3 of the first Code Geass Season when Nunnaly tell Lelouch about her desire for a nice world, why it’s in the wagon with C.C.??
September 29th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Lelouch vi Britannia is DEAD. You guys remember the scene, from the first season, when Charles was able to communicate with Clovis after his assassination…Charles told the Geass Order that he was finished talking with Clovis on the beach.
September 29th, 2008 at 8:53 am
I do hope your right and lelouch is still alive. i cried for about five minutes when he was stabbed, i wannt him to be alive, dammit!!
September 29th, 2008 at 8:58 am
He did live Anon. He did live. *Holds Anon’s hand tightly*
September 29th, 2008 at 9:01 am
since i cant get off this blog i might aswell add that even IF lelouch is alive that doesnt have to mean that there will be a 3rd season, or an ova, or a movie, or a 26th episode. I STILL HOPE HES ALIVE!
September 29th, 2008 at 9:16 am
With the encounter with Charles right before he dies he says “deny me and what awaits you will be Schneizel’s world.”
This leads me to believe Charles thought Lelouch would never be able to beat Schneizel (who has said he has never lost to lelouch) and gave him his code so lelouch would be stuck in a world he would hate forever.
The reason I believe Suzaku and C.C were crying is cause i dont think them or even Lelouch knew Lelouch had Charle’s code since from what was show the person needs to die for the code to activate. This also explains why Lelouch could use his geass until then because his code wasnt activated yet.
September 29th, 2008 at 9:18 am
… DOH OFCOURSE! Why didn’t we see this sooner! The crane at the end is evidence that Lelouch is alive! C.C. couldn’t have made it and Nunnaly couldn’t have given it to C.C. But she DID give a crane to one person…
That being LELOUCH! The fact that that crane is there means that Lelouch must have put it there! He couldn’t have just given her the crane that his sister made for HIM.
… This should be a trial in Phoenix wright. So many contradictions XD
September 29th, 2008 at 9:39 am
why will C.C say the name of world most hate person out loud ?
i be belive he is alive
September 29th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Toasting with epic bread… LuluxCC end ftw. Now we need a sequel with them traveling from town to town living of trading with exellent economic skills.. oh wait.
September 29th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Kdog ! I agree with you !Well,let’s just hope that an OVA comes out. Dx I belive lelouch is alive.
September 29th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Meh, I say that Lulu is still alive, but as it is an open ending, think what you want.
Best thing to happen would be an OVA clarifying everything ._.
RAMEN AWAY
September 29th, 2008 at 10:14 am
reply to kDog’s comment.
I object!!!
let the cross-examination BEGIN!
September 29th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Wow… There is a lot more controversy about this ending than I thought there would be. People arguing that Lelouch is dead, others saying he isn’t. After reading a lot of these comments this is my take on it.
I say he is alive, but he didn’t intend to live. What I mean is that Lelouch somehow obtained his father’s immortality code without realizing it while there were in the world of C. So because no one knew Lelouch had this code everyone was sad when he died, even CC. After Lelouch died the code became active and he revived. Now alive again, Lelouch knew he couldn’t return because if anyone found out he was alive that would undo everything that he had worked for. So Lelouch sought out the only person he could stay with, CC. That’s CC is happy in the end and why the carriage driver is masked.
September 29th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Well, I too was pondering about the ending. You see I thought Lelouch was actually giving up his life for the world. Nunnally was going to do the same thing using Herself, Lelouch and the Damocles. And Lelouch used his Geass on her to save her life, but appeared to be evil so it would not put a damper on his plan. At the end his plan was relized by pretty much everyone on the execution stand inparticuarly by Kallen, Nunnally, and his self proclaimed wife. Im pretty sure everyone else caught on as well, espically since it was too cowincidental. Now wether or not Lelouch knew he was immortal or not is undetermined. Mostly because you see a clip of Suzaku asking Lelouch if he really wants to do this, this indicates Suzaku was unaware of the immortality issue. Also indicated by him crying, i do not feel those were tears of joy as he is stabbing his best friend.
Now what leads me to believe he is alive and immortal are a few key things. One Suzaku is pretty cool but he is no Zero and never will be. He dosnt have the mental capacity of Lelouch to last as Zero very long. Suzaku lives in the present, while Lelouch lives in the future which gives him a much needed edge because he is always thinking ahead. Two, Lelouch made a promise with C.C. and dispite his plans i dont think he would break this promise. Which means he either completed the promise before following through with this plan or intends to in the future. Either way he is immortal or eventually will be. Also another note is people in anime get stabbed and explode all the time yet they never die so lelouch didnt have to already be immortal to survive the assissination. Three the scene at the ending is the producers way of letting the fans make up their own decsions, its also a marketing strategy incase someone wants to pick up a show/ova/movie. Also depends heavily on popularity and its chances of another success, we have seen this done many many times. However they are definantly hinting that lelouch is most likely alive. Lets examine CC’s character. Her character has deveolped quite a bit and for awhile we thought she was crazy when she was talking to Lelouch’s mother outloud. But we eventually learned that she was actually talking to his mother. She is not the type of entity to speak to the dead for advice or for their opinion. It is just NOT in her character to act as such. So unless her character has changed greatly she was talking to Lelouch. Either as the mask driver or in the world of C. Also if lelouch was the driver he would have to be masked, you couldnt just see the most “evil” man in the world riding around with a cart of Hay.
For the most part the ending closed many openings, but they def left open Lelouch being alive. And left in many many reasons why he could be alive. Which is most likely the producers way of trying to possibly land another deal with Code Geass. Either in an OVA or Movie, a third season would be hell of a strech and most likely wouldnt happen for awhile. The plot would most likely consist of Lelouch resumming his activities as Zero, since Suzaku would be uncapable of preforming as well as Lelouch. Or Lelouch fullfilling his promise to CC or both. Fact is if it is going to continue ever it most likely hasnt been written yet or has 10000 different versions, it all depends on how things go with the monies! and espically with the fan base. If it grows and grows and revenue is high and has high expectations, you will most likely see either a spin off or OVA.
September 29th, 2008 at 10:23 am
I want to believe that Lelouch is alive, but that doesn’t change the fact that the creators will not continue the series. They have other plans. D8 But anyways.
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THIS: “DIVIDE BY ZERO?”
Now it makes sense. “Divide by Zero.” Or “Divide Lelouch by Zero and leave out the rest.”
“LELOUCH GOT DIVIDED BY ZERO.” – YouTube User.
It makes sense.
Lelouch being killed by Suzaku disguised as Zero. Wao.
NO.
September 29th, 2008 at 10:28 am
http://i36.tinypic.com/2dr77gy.jpg
September 29th, 2008 at 10:40 am
@L.L
I completely agree with you for the fact as how/if Lelouche got his code. Though I believe both Lelouche and C.C knew he had the code.
My thoughts of the ending and why L.L. is alive.
L.L. is immortal: Transfer of memories to Nunnally.
Nunnally is crying because she thinks L.L dies: whoever sees memories of an immortal doesnt necessarily see all the memories (or L.L. would have already known about his mother/Charles/V.V from the very beginning). Thus she only saw the plan of of Zero Requiem, and not that of the code.
C.C. was crying in the Church because L.L choose immortality as punishment, not death.
Susaku was crying because he thought he actually killed L.L, didn’t know L.L received the code.
To those who have valid reason’s of L.L death, I see no problem and validate those.
But,to those who say people are ruining L.L becoming a hero, and saying he would be a selfish boy by thinking he is alive, is kind of immature.
I understand you saying that if it was just people wanting a disney cartoon ending, but for most of the people on here, they are stating how they interpreted the anime, in a logical since based how the series has been and looking at the possible outcomes.
Also, one does not have to sacrifice himself to become a hero. He had thrown away everything (family, friends, lovers) so in the end the world would hate him and to recreate a world of peace. Even if he doesnt see immortality as atonement I think he has suffered enough and would still be a great hero.
September 29th, 2008 at 10:47 am
INDISPUTABLE PROOF THAT LELOUCH IS STILL ALIVE
http://wagaa.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/anime-winter-spiceandwolf.jpg
MORE PROOF
http://neoshinka.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/spice_and_wolf_code_geass.jpg
September 29th, 2008 at 10:54 am
bawwww, you guys are geassed by sunrise now. they intentionally left us with open ending so code geass will mark unforgettable scars to the fans.
The vague hints whether lelouch gets the code or not is either a clever scheme or simply plot hole because they fast forwarding everything too fast. They even made 2 months gap after lelouch’s death without explaining anything.
still, I really hope lelouch becomes immortal despite the lack of clear hints. here is the contradiction: they left us with a lot of vague hints, but decided not to clear anything in the end, everything is just so obvious, but cliffhanger is logically much worth than cliche ones.
If lelouch really alive and he appeared in the ending, I think code geass will be remembered as one of watch-and-go anime, but no, they decided to use cliffhanger to increase the value of code geass, to keep the fanbase alive even after the story ends since they want to ensure fans will debate whether lelouch alive or not (and could sell his merchandises)
I guess sunrise really ensures to geass us till the end and close the series with unexpectable ending that will surpise everyone and marks us with unforgottable scar… ever!
Code geass is the best anime in the world, never before I could be so emotionally attached with a series and make me patiently wait every week for new eps.
September 29th, 2008 at 10:55 am
And umm correction about R2
if it’s not translated into english, it would be R2
and there, they call it
Rurūshu Ranperūji, which is R.R
September 29th, 2008 at 11:02 am
There’s enough evidence that supports he’s alive. Don’t be so close-minded.
September 29th, 2008 at 11:09 am
LOL @ xrurushu
It doesn’t fit, but it’s funny as hell. Zerozaku is a bastard.
September 29th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Another way to conclude if he’s dead is to wait and see if the official CG website lists him as deceased or not.
http://www.geass.jp/correlative.html
September 29th, 2008 at 11:11 am
nah, he’s dead. She called Kallen using Lelouche’s cell, then killed her, cut her open, and found out she wasn’t pregnant (probably). She then put Lelouche’s head in a bag and went on a trip in a NICE WAGON!!!!
September 29th, 2008 at 11:12 am
If anyone would like to know what the characters were saying, there’s a user who has the last episode subbed on YouTube. Go check it out before it’s deleted.
September 29th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Another way to find out would be to wait and see if the official CG lists him as deceased
September 29th, 2008 at 11:18 am
dude… it really doesnt matter whether or not lelouch he dies or not, fact is, its a good ending that ppl can talk about, not like deathnote’s (not bad, but kinda ive seen it n thats it) n also, ppl with code is supposed to lose their geass (like charles and c.c). even if lelouch happens to have the code, wouldnt it be obvious to everyone there is a HUGE FREAKEN RED BIRD-LIKE SIGN ON HIM? i dun think so. so yea i believe hes dead, and since jeromia/orange-kun obey’s lelouch, this is his master’s wish, so y wont he be happy?
September 29th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Well there could be a season 3, consider how we don’t even know C.C’s real name yet :p if they wanted to end it they should have told us.
or did they say it and i forgot?
September 29th, 2008 at 11:26 am
no they didn’t say it at all but I also think there won’t be a third season but I bet on a Ova
September 29th, 2008 at 11:28 am
I actually cried when my computer stopped working in the middle of the episode
September 29th, 2008 at 11:29 am
P.S. of course he’s alive
September 29th, 2008 at 11:30 am
I have one more reason why he is alive. Why would C.C. carry around with her Nunally’s origami that was given to him?
September 29th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Dear godzilla71
maybe the code isn’t on his forehead.
September 29th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Dear Godzilla Orange is a qeass resister qeass wont work on him
September 29th, 2008 at 11:42 am
kazuma =.= when did i say orange is under the control of geass… well maybe cultural differences, but some ppl (servants, doesnt have to be mindslaved) serve their master’s final wish or something even after they died. but yea since we dunno where the code possibly could be (could be anywhere… i assume, or maybe not… need to look back how c.c/charles got their code)
September 29th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Even though the final episode was badass, Nunnally’s crying . . . the crowd going wild for Suzaku, or Zero, and seeing Lelouch’s killer smile before being stabbed and after he is stabbed . . . that was too much. I know that this might be like any other anime . . . but man. Well, maybe it isn’t like any other anime since this was pretty epic.
Lelouch is alive. It’s obvious that no one else around the countryside would wear what the cart driver was wearing. MAYBE.
I wonder where the cart driver was driving to? To the field where Orange and Anya were at picking oranges?
Oh, and did anyone notice that in the credits the picture where Lelouch and Suzaku sat by each other’s side only showed Suzaku?
I’m thinking too much.
September 29th, 2008 at 11:45 am
I was thinking,
well i got 2 parts anyway if Lelouch is alive…
The person riding the wagon might be him, he can make the origami paper crane and so CC talked to him, he is immortal.
If Lelouch dead
well most likely, if a person dies, you know how you say stuff like ‘Rest in peace’ looking up? well i think CC did that?
anyways there are more stuff but i think it’s already said in here…
it is an ambiguous ending
, but i love it, made me go teary
September 29th, 2008 at 11:49 am
But to Orange lelouch was hes hole entire life he would rather give up his own life and he seem happy that Suzaku pass him so he had to know that he will be alive and I think the facts up there say that it was on his right hand
September 29th, 2008 at 11:49 am
is there any possibility that, when charles was rejected by those gods in teh world of C, they’d give teh code to lelouche then? or something of teh sort? =o
September 29th, 2008 at 11:54 am
[If i may point out. do you notice how schniezals(sp?) eyes still have a red tinge in the clip with suzaku/zero and him on the right…shouldnt the geass affect have died along with the user.
MORE EVIDENCE]
Anya still had no memories after Charles died
September 29th, 2008 at 11:56 am
the geass stay after the owner’s dead
that’s what happened to anya because of lelouch’s mom’s geass
this end is super fit even without all the analyzing (which is a relieve) and no one ever expected it
September 29th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
well thx! for posting this…it really makes sense to me that he is really alive!
September 29th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Lelouch is dead. We all loved him, but he’s gone.
It amazes me how people are already writing college level essays as to why he’s not dead. The first stage is denial, I suppose. But we have NO proof.
As to the whole “CC was OBVIOUSLY talking to the drived of teh wagon at the last scene, durrr” excuse:
She was pointing her head upward, to the sky, talking to herself. It’s a cliche, it happens all the time. Movies, anime, regular cartoons, even real life.
A friend of mine from church committed suicide about a year ago. I even used to say to myself on different occasions, “We had some good times, didn’t we, Chris?”
It’s kinda like consolation, it’s a sentimental thing. Sometimes people do it unconsciously.
The e-drama is already starting, it’s like Spike Spiegel all over again. Only with Cowboy Bebop the creator actually left it up to the viewers to decide for themselves what happened after the last episode. However, I’m pretty sure it has confirmed that Lelouch is gone.
September 29th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
But I suppose people can think what they want.
For me it’s just more fulfilling to see Lulu die for the sake of the world.
Him riding off happily with CC just doesn’t seem like something the creators would throw at us after that scene with him discussing his death with Suzaku.
……
On second thought, that scene is proof enough that he is gone.
I’m just gonna stop debating now.
September 29th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
it’s an open end after all
let us dream
what’s happened is epic
September 29th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
K your arguement is weak at least we have good evidence supporting our views
September 29th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
LET THERE BE A SEASON THREE!
September 29th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
HOW THE CRAP DID GUILFORD, SAYOKO, AND NUNNALY ESCAPE A FREAKING BLACK HOLE BOMB? THAT’S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW:@@@@
September 29th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
wow.. i had fun reading all those..
impressed u came up with those evidences xD i feel lighter now “_”
September 29th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
No season Three there is no reason to and I think they are going to make an ova most likely
September 29th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
haha what an interesting blog
i dont really care if lulu is alive or dead. both ways is good 4 me~
it was a great anime fo sho baby!
September 29th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I thought R2 meant “Round 2″…like in a chess game. I came up with that conclusion because it seemed Lelouch loved chess and played his strategies as a game of chess. iono.
September 29th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Lelouch he’s alive , All Hail Lelouch
September 29th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
LET THERE BE A SEASON THREE, FOO’! D8
ALL HAIL LELOUCH, ALL HAIL LELOUCH, ALL HAIL LELOUCH!
NAH, I kidd., I kidd. It’d be fun to watch an OVA though. I keep seeing pictures where most fanbases are trying to figure who the cart rider is. Funny thing is to, they keep referring to the shading done beneath his sunhat saying that it’s Lelouch because of the “black hair that shows.”
I don’t buy it. I’m sad though. It’s over. It’s over. It’s over. I’m done.
Why oh why.
RABBLE, RABBLE, RABBLE.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
I can’t believe I actually read every post. I’ve yet to decide whether he is alive or dead, but I am leaning towards alive. I have some questions too:
1. How does CC tilting her head at the end indicate she is talking to the wagon driver? She could be speaking to the sky as people do to people in “heaven.” The reunion could be with Shirley who died earlier.
2. How do people make the assumption at the end when Jiramaya(sp?) would smile at the fact that Lelouch is still alive. There are multiple reasons why he could have smiled. His content for following Lelouch’s orders to let him be killed, maybe he was content with world peace, his life with Anya (LoL), or it COULD be the fact that he knows Lelouch is alive/dead.
3. Lastly, I was curious about disposing of Lelouch’s body. After his “assassination” wouldn’t the people think about burning his body or burying it? Or did they just leave him there and he would get up later and go drive the wagon with CC (LoL), then everyone would be like WTF where did he go? What’s up with that?
September 29th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Sorry for double, but I was going to say again, I have no biased opinion yet…
September 29th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
God mike, 240 comments on one post? It’s like you’re Omni, or something.
Anyway, I counter your entire post with mine:
http://are-are.net/2008/09/28/lulu-didnt-die/ (edited, of course)
September 29th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
[...] First of all, I’m convinced that Lelouch is alive. Why this is the case is quite well-explained here. [...]
September 29th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
lelouch lives and there will be a season 3. Full on lamprouge/c.c hentai
September 29th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Lulu i agree with 1 and 2
but 3 they could easily fake disposal of a body
September 29th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
@K
the point is that C.C.’s line at the end,
“geass is the power of kings, and it will isolate you…looks like it isn’t the case ne, Lelouch?”
compare that with
“ah, we had some good times together before eh, Lelouch?”
see the difference in meaning? the first line implies that his geass didn’t make him lonely because he well alive and has C.C. now
or…you can take it in another way that since Lelouch is dead he has many other dead friends with him in hell so he doesn’t feel lonely <- uhhh what? and C.C. is awfully cruel to say those lines if she meant that
September 29th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
http://i37.tinypic.com/egy1w2.jpg
September 29th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
photoshop?
September 29th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
>lelouch lives and there will be a season 3. Full on lamprouge/c.c hentai
I would LOVE this.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
You’re saying an entire season devoted to his and C.C.’s sex life?
I’d watch it
September 29th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
I emailed omni from http://randomc.animeblogger.net/ to check out this blog, and maybe change his view on the last episode of the best anime ever
Mike, you’re a legend. Thank you again for your post haha
!!!
September 29th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
what? 250 comments? just debating whether lulu is alive. haha. insanity!
September 29th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
I’ve said it in ALL of the blogs I know and I’ll say it again:
R2 is Lelouch. It’s evident.
And he’s not dead.
C.C. is not a retard to talk to a dead. She’s not yet in that status.
I agree with the one who posted this. The reason that is was called Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion is because he obtained both the code and the geass. Meaning, his rebellion here was not the real subject of the series but merely a front act, since the series started with him rebelling after getting his geass.
If there will be another media of this show just to emphasize these OBVIOUS things, I know people will again posts rants like “WHAT?? LELOUCH IS ALIVE??!! HOW THE ###@@@*&^%($#@ xDD??” and “It wasn’t indicated in the ending so it’s impossible bla bla bla.” And Sunrise would just waste millions of yen just for C.C.’s real name.
This series doesn’t need intellectual viewers. Lelouch being alive is OBVIOUS, think about it.
Or better yet, start with season one.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
WTF that is a lot of comments frm geass fan boys, henceforth known as Geaboys.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
quote* don’t you think, that if Lulu had really gained a Code, that C.C. would know about it? If Lulu were to fake his death, who better than to live secretly with than C.C.? Why then, would she be crying for him?
That’s it for now, if I think of more I’ll post them later. Yes, and I realize half the people who think he’s alive are either 1.) trolling or 2.) in complete denial and couldn’t be convinced for the life of themselves. Whatever, I felt like typing this. end quote*
a) Umm the reason why C.C’s crying is because she knows lelouch would have to severe all his connections to cement their zero requiem plan and live with only her as his immortal companion. That ain’t a normal life no matter how hot the babe is!
b) Yes, he can play dead and then mask himself as the great zero once more but what would happen if he was found out? It might be okay for others such as Kallen and lelouch’s sister if he was caught but i doubt others such as Ohgi, xinge ke, toudou san and the rest of the world would be so understandable. Lelouch did screw with their lives afterall … And by finding out, rebellions and wars could start again as the factions – who are now integrated – distrust each other again if the person whom the world vented all their hatred for is actually there supporting nunnaly and been present in all their meetings etc . They would feel doubly screwed!
c) Suzaku also felt the need for atonement for his crimes even though they were all based on trying to create peace and harmony. By wearing the mask of zero, he will be a hero of justice just as he wanted but at the cost of denying recognition, praise, honour and a normal life as “Kurrugi Suzaku”. The tears from Suzaku may not be from the mock murder but rather the understanding that both he and lelouch can never be the same and enjoy the company of all their friends etc which is sad.
d) Nunnaly crying after receiving the visions could be because of this! She now knows lelouchs plan of making suzaku into zero etc but she could have also seen that he would have to sever all ties to make the peace plan work. Nunnaly also truly desires world peace and was ready to bear the crux of using fleia. Knowing that lelouch instead took her place as the symbol of hatred would bring any doting sister to tears even if she knew he was not dead!
This is supported by her saying “I would be happy just living with you brother” and “I can’t bear a future without you brother..”
As she knows lelouch will be unable to support his sister and be at her side.
And the last and most important part e) Sunrise are leechers *sucks sucks*, if they know they are on a roll and gaining popularity – which code geass has done for them – They will make either another season 3 or at least a movie or 2. There is still many more brilliant ideas which they could pull to make for another great story.
However if you remember nothing of what i said, remember this!
Lelouch is alive!
September 29th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
NOT MY SOURCE:
SPOILER:
LULU IS ALIVE!
http://cdimg1.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/09282008/a/e/f/e/aefecc75a75290_full.gif
September 29th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
yay he is alive and there will be a third season? awesome
September 29th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
When C.C is crying at the church she says “as retribution for using geass on people, you….” Now, spoken from C.C’s character, her wish for herself is to die. Not being able to die makes her suffer so I don’t think she would consider Lelouch dying as his retribution. Instead, I think his retribution to atone for his sins from C.C’s point of view would be to live as an immortal like her.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
I analyzed it in a lingual manner here:
http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-25-an-analysis-of-the-final-turns-title-re/
I hope you also enjoy that analysis.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Those .gif images are leaks from Sunrise, but they were clearly cut from the anime. This was due to a Sunrise decision to have Lelouch “stay dead”. Their initial intent was, in fact, to have him be alive at the end, but this changed.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Anon. 2 just made my day.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
NOOOOOOO.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
im seriosuly in the mood for some code geass hentai! ^_^ anyone care to join meh rofllll
September 29th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Lulu is dead!
Face it guys!
CC is speaking to Lelouch’s head in her bag, and CC stand for Catsura Cotonoha
September 29th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
The reason for the last events was to show you people that Lelouch is indeed alive and an immortal – CC calling his name. But what makes it appear not is that Karen was also talking to the “dead Lelouch” which could also say that CC was also talking to the “dead Lelouch”. But as you guys pointed out, Lelouch transferring his memories to Nunally means he already have the code and therefore an immortal. That’s more solid evidence.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Leaving Lelouch dead is the only way to close the series perfectly, not to mention his new life as an immortal.
But in my own opinion, I loved the way Sunrise ended this up. If there is a movie, maybe it’ll focus on the world years after the “tyrant” king’s reign, and Lelouch will show up.
But wait…
Having both immortality and Geass’ power sound terrifying, doesn’t it?
September 29th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
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I really really think that.. Lelouch is alive, I really like this anime alot and I hundred percent believe he’s alive.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
well lets clarify something since i speak some japanese and understand the whole V.V. and C.C. problem what he was saying is that in the japanese language we would hear “V-tsu” but in reality it really translated to V2 same as C2(C-tsu) it also helps to kinda wait and see what goes on with the series since i heard from some friends in japan that they are making a third season but no promises just a heard rumor floating about anyways have fun watching your animes
September 29th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Man if they seriously commercialised this movie in the States like they did with pochimon! poke poke … sunrise would be making hundreds of millions!
September 29th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
lol like some people tell, its like spice and wolf code geass style. imagine lelouch selling wares like lawrence with c.c. yet he uses geass to “convince” would be customers
September 29th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
There are so many people injecting rubbish opinions/pics in this post. Don’t ruin our mood of open discussion here by talking trash.
There are many interpretations as to why Suzaku cries when he stabs Lelouch. I am giving two here. Assuming Lelouch does not have the code, that’s pretty obvious as Suzaku is stabbing his best friend to death. On the other hand, if Lelouch has the code and Suzaku knows that he would survive the attack, Suzaku is crying because he is bidding farewell to his friend who has sinned much and would hide away from the world after his fall to ensure the new peace brought by Zero, probably never to see Lelouch again. The same logic goes to many scenes in the series as well and you can interpret them both ways whether Lelouch lives or dies.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
our mood? more like your mood ^_^
September 29th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Hey,
do you think there will be a third stage ?
September 29th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
@blurb, well i admit some replies up there are ridiculous and tasteless.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
So out of all the explainations in this whole debacle no one seems to have caught the most obvious conclustion.
Lelouch simply completed his contract with C.C. He’s a man of follow through is he not? He planned it so that every one of his goals was accomplished in the end.
When he was ready to have suzaku kill him and finish Zero Requiem He had C.C. transfer her code to him. He then played out his grand finally as Lelouch and probably had orange-kun wisk his body to safety during the retreat.
A few hints upon rewatching the episode make this pretty evident. Though I think only a couple people max, knew of his immortality.
1) As other people have pointed out, Jeremiah obviously knew about the final plan because he is smiling while he thinks “go, masked Knight” as Zerozaku jumps over him.
2) The next hint is that right before Jeremiah calls for a retreat you see him with a smile of satisfaction on his face.
3) When Nunnaly touches Lelouch he transfers his memories to her… which only a code bearer like C.C. can do. Showing her the memories associated with him and Suzaku’s agreement regarding Zero Requiem
4) And Lastly it should almost be painfully obvious that the person driving the cart is lelouch especially because of the line so many other people have quoted “The Power of the king, called geass Isolates people… HeHe… or maybe it’s not quite like that…. eh Lelouch?”
As I said above I suspect only Jeramiah knew about his immortality for sure, Suzaku might have, but placing myself in Lelouche’s shoes I would have only told Jeramiah, for he knows about the geass immortality and he would be the best ally to ferret my body away safely after the assasination so I could “wake up”. Plus I would have wanted to give Suzaku the satisfaction of killing me so that he would be more loyale to his oath of becomming the mask of justice. If you listen to the dialogue between Suzaku and Lelouch in the end, Lelouch seems to really be genuinely trying to convince Suzaku & his sister that he’s dead so that they too can continue on with a new future… but I could be wrong. For sure I know Orange-Kun knows…. because who else would be able to wisk away his body so he could meet up with C.C.
Unlike popular belief I don’t think Lelouch was giving a code by Charles. If you remember back when C.C. was trying to give her code to Charles you’ll notice it was taking quite a bit of time… enough time for lelouch to brain dive into C.C.’s memories and convince her to not go through with it. Charles only grabbed lelouch for a few seconds while he imparted his final warning about Schneizel. So the only logical conclusion based upon Lelouch’s dedication to following his goals to the end, is that he completed his contract with C.C. like he promised.
So Lelouch is now Imortal. C.C. is now able to die AND be truly loved as she always wanted.
Done & Done
In the end I have to admit it was a great ending. He led us on a roller coaster of plot twists and emotional betrayals but in the end there was method in his madness. I do wish though that this episode had been an hour vs half an hour so that the story could have unfolded a little more gracefully.
The only thing I question is why they brought back Princess Cornelia’s knight Gotfried. Lets face it there was no real reason he should have been alive other than to create a somewhat happier ending for Cornelia’s character. Granted it sucked that he died… but it was way more poetic when he died.
But other than that I thought it all worked out about right in the end.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Remember?C.C. once said that,if Lelouch were to die,She’d be in trouble too.
So,it’d be impossible if C.C. could still be happy when Lelouch has died.
それは本当の事。
September 29th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Hmmm, well i kinda asked people around me what they think if Lelouch is alive or not.
When i told my bro of my pov that Lelouch is alive, well he said ‘kids these days’ so…i guess Lelouch is dead, since he told me that when he controlled Nunnally to hand the key, well he kinda said goodbye to her at that time and said that he loved her…
And for Nunnally, when she read Lelouch hand, she cried and finally understood, if Lelouch were faking it, i don’t think Nunally would cry? besides she can tell if they lie or not right?
Another one, Suzaku cried as well…remember when Lelouch said to Suzaku the quote ‘when one shoots at another person, they will get shot back’ or something (sorry i can’t remember the correct one but something similar like that)…well yeah there you go…he knows he have to kill Lelouch for the peace thing
And for CC, she would’ve not cried if she knows Lelouch plan. And i don’t think Lelouch took Charles code to become immortal, so CC knows he’s going to die, and so at the end she looks at the sky and said those words…
Well those are just my theory if he dies, i have to watch one more time again or more to fully understand..
Well…at least he can be happy with Shirley, when he died, there was a flashback of Lelouch thought and Shirley came first
i love that part, he loves Shirley and i like Shirley x Lelouch (sorry to CC x Lelouch)
But if Lelouch were alive, here are my pov
Lelouch is smart, and he plans for everything, so he could have been faking it..
I was thinking,
He could be the one driving to wagon and CC talked to him? (i know it’s a chidish thoughts of mine)
Well…he makes origami crane right? hmm does CC knows how to make it? if not then Lelouch had to make it and gave it to her…
Or when Zero was pushing Nunnally’s well, that could’ve been Lelouch inside swapping with Suzaku?
All hail Lelouch!
I know these thoughts are either childish or whatever, those are just my thoughts anyway, the maker of it is smart though, it’s making us have debate if he is alive or dead…
September 29th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
I can’t believe I read all the comments so far lol
Well,I really think Lelouch is dead,but I’ll go with the story he’s the driver of the cart for the sake of my sanity
This episode was touching,the whole one,how he was saying goodbye to everyone,and I’m not sure if he would do all that,and then fake his death…he’s just not that type of guy…yeah yeah,he used a lot of deceptions so far,but that was for his goal,and he now did everything he wanted,recreated the world for Nunnaly and all..so why fake it?
The only thing that bugs is that C.C,Orange and Nunnaly are so calm now,even smiling…If I were them,I would be depressed for a long time because Lulu died…
He meant a lot to them,so why are they so happy now?
That’s the thing that still keeps me wandering if he’s alive or not…
And lol for him dying from a mere sword,when half of the characters were Freya-ed and stayed alive…I really hate how they didn’t explain that part…
And I’ll curse Sunrise for the rest of my life if they don’t make at least an OVA to wrap up all the unexplained stuff…And finally put an end to this long debate on “Is Lulu alive or not?”.
I somehow have a feeling we’re not gonna get anything from Sunrise,and continue this for forever
September 29th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Everybody.
He is dead.If he wasn’t, his plan would be destroyed when someone would see him.It makes no sense to make him live.
2 simple proofs why he’s really dead:
1:Suzaku is crying when killing him.Because, his realyy gonna die.
second and strongest proof:Nunnaly knew everything about lelouch when touching him, the whole plan, what he did so far.His thoughts.
Why would she cry if he was gonna live?Watch it again, Nunnaly KNEW he was going to die!
If he, in the end, survived.It would make the story wrong.Because, he’s not a good person, he has to die.He’s kinda the hero, but a hero who orders to kill children!Him diyng for the greater good is
the best.Its perfect.
September 29th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
What people seem to be forgetting here is that: COde Geass doesn’t make sene, and never has. So, forget bout your logic, it won’t help you explain the ending. An example:
“Now would Orange, a man who devoted himself entirely to Lelouche and threw away everything without a second thought be OK with a plan where the sole person he wants to protect in life is actually killed? The answer to that is NO, not even if Lelouche ordered him to accept the plan: he would not go along with it and would protect him with his life.”
No, he was not devoted to Lelouch, but to Marianne, and thus to her children. But Lelouch killed Marianne. So what Orange thinks or doesn’t think really doesn’t matter. All I can say about the ending is this: Yes, Sunrise probably wanted Lelouch to live, but Lelouch died as far as logic goes, because the later episodes showed proof he was NOT immortal (there was no mark on either of his palms). So, Sunrise simply screwed up, as usual. Perhaps they’ll fix this is the remastered Blu-ray version. Perhaps Sunrise will stop making anime. Oh would that be a glorious day.
September 29th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Or no one knew (including C.C. and Lulu himself) that he’d gotten Charles’s code. Everyone really thought the plan would end with him dying. I’m thinking passing the code to anyone involves 1) A person with the evolved Geass (doesn’t matter who, as long as they have an evolved Geass) having contact (physical) with the code insignia, then 2) Dying. After which you lose the “evolved Geass” and revive as the new owner of the code.
Charles died, revived with V.V.’s code.
C.C. was in a puddle of blood when she woke up. Nun was dead beside her. Also had the scar under her breast. Maybe the nun had her touch her code, stabbed C.C. then killed herself after?
September 29th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Anyone know if the character chart has been updated yet?
September 29th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
It doesnt matter but maybe an ova will be made to clarify this but i am not so sure about Lelouch having inmortality, I think he died and that cart driver cant posible be Lelouch cuz his jaw is totally diferent from Lelouch’s, lets just wait for a ova and forget about spreading rummors
September 29th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
It would be good is a season 3 will be made and clear things about lelouch’s death(we don’t know if he’s dead right?)but i think the producers said that this is the end…
September 29th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
god. give up men. lulu is dead ;D.
if he is not dead u guys will see a third season soon (?)
<3
orange with oranges (!)!!
September 29th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Well, it seems there has been quite some discussion on this topic with both sides making their opinions more than clear. Me? Personally, I was in awe at the moment of Lelouch’s death, having expected him to survive somehow. And then, at the very end, my fears returned. Still, with no *clear* evidence showing him alive, I’ll just bury him in my mind and keep revering Lelouch’s sacrifice.
Of course, seeing him finally together with C.C. would be great, but somehow, I think his grand death would be wasted on immortality. Although, with no actual proof of him dying, I don’t see a reason to make any claims either way. Most of the ‘evidence’ provided has been nothing more than suspicions and speculation anyway. Not to say there couldn’t be a grain of truth hidden there somethere. Just too many loose ends.
Oh, and even if Lelouch were alive, it does not mean it was him riding that wagon. And if he were dead, C.C. might’ve taken the paper crane as a memento. And for those who expressed their doubt in Orange-kun and Nunnally’s ability to recover from Lelouch’s death so quickly, would it be in accordance with Lelouch’s wishes if they were to throw away the future he sacrificed his life to create for them?
All that said, I believe they should’ve just made it loud and clear whether Lelouch lived or died. That way, we all would’ve been granted peace of mind, and those not happy with the ending could’ve turned to fanfiction. Now, all those wanting some sort of established closure will have to turn that way, at least until some kind of confirmation becomes available, be in in the way of a third season, OVA, or whatever.
September 29th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
…men!!!! i cant finish this all!!!! there are so many comments to read even a whole night wouldnt be enough!!! lol i never though of the theory that Lelouch is still alive..’cause i though in the 1st place that when C.C. talks to Lulu (in the wagon) she is just thinking/pretending (or what do u call that) that lulu is still there OR she is talking with him in a distance..gets?! enweizs, thanks for all those infos..men Code Geass really rocks!!!
PS
…i read one up there that he said that maybe there would be a season 3/R3..but, how come??? if lulu is still alive, then they are all happy now, no more need for them to have war just to have another season,(poor Code Geass chars) xD
…ok folks..till here, thanks again..
PSS
…ohw ohw ohw!!! before i forgot…that pictures (wagon pics/last second pics on epi25) really got me!!! hahaha, VERY VERY GOOD!!! everybody really wants a happy ending..
…and a happy ending 4 my comment!!!!
….ALL HAIL LELOUCH!!!! ALL HAIL CODE GEASS!!!!! ALL HAIL C.G. FANS!!!!
*bow & waves goodbye*
ohw!!!
I order the Creators, make an OVA!!!! lol
September 29th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
A friend of mine said she read from a Japanese Anime Magazine that CodeGeass rebellion 3’s coming out. Everyone pray it’s true!
I also wished I had Geass now, I’ll go to SunRise and order them to do Rebellion 3,4,5,6,7,……
(: I believe Lelouch is alive. no evidence, I just feel that way.
September 29th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Still not continuing the argument, but just to let you guys know. The crane was from season 1 when Nunnally first met C.C. and gave her the crane. Don’t look too deeply into it.
September 30th, 2008 at 12:05 am
I think lelouch is not dead since i saw how he was transfering the memories to nunnally… Only an inmortal witch like C.C. could do that…
But he needed to hide…
September 30th, 2008 at 12:18 am
come on, get a grip on yourself.. lelouch is dead…
September 30th, 2008 at 12:20 am
well maybe not.. but it would have been more beautiful (although sad) if he’s dead
September 30th, 2008 at 12:25 am
so about the whole “cart driver is lelouch thing”…
CC is schizo. She spoke to Marianne from her memories. So she’s speaking to Lelouch from her memories. Plain and simple.
September 30th, 2008 at 12:29 am
Just because they didn’t say it flat out doesn’t mean it’s not so. They are not going to spoon feed everything to us like we’re in pre-school. This is a whole ‘nuther level of japanime, if you can’t get with it then get the hell out while you still have a chance.
September 30th, 2008 at 12:29 am
C.C. possesses the Code, which grants her immortality as well as other abilities, such as forming contracts to grant people the power known as Geass. Hers is not the only Code, as V.V. originally possessed one, later taken from him by Charles.
The Code Charles possessed until Episode 21 was taken by Lelouch either accidentally or on purpose, when Charles throttled him as he was about to vanish, devoured by the World of C.
However, Lelouch still possesses Geass, even after gaining the supposed Code. Why? Two possible reasons. Either the Geass remains until the Code is first activated, upon death, or Lelouch was the first one to achieve the “Code Geass,” having received his Geass power from C.C. whilst possessing a different Code from hers, V.V.’s.
What supports the idea that Lelouch has the Code and that it was no destroyed/devoured by the World of C is the fact that the geasses Charles had placed on Nunnally and Anya still held their effect. Geass draws its power from the Code, and had the Code been destroyed, the Geasses would have faded. That is why Charles’ Code still exists, now in Lelouch.
The Code is possibly located on his neck where Charles held him, or it appears on his palm when it activates upon his first death, obscured by blood from the wound in his chest.
When Nunnally touches him, she sees a glimpse of his memories, just as Lelouch did when he touched C.C. back in Narita. The reason for this is that the Code is activating for the first time, Lelouch possibly being unaware of this and unable to control what is shown unlike C.C. who forced shocking imagery into Suzaku’s mind.
As we see the memories flash by, we hear a sound effect, similar to the one whenever geass is used, though not the exact same, regardless confirming that a memory transfer is indeed what is happening. This is one of the main points that dictates why Lelouch is still alive.
Later on, in the ending, we see the cart driver, whose features are conveniently masked to cover any traces that might allow us to identify him as Lelouch, which makes perfect sense. Lelouch was the hated Demon King who seized control over the entire world, keeping everyone in check by threats of FLEIJA and so forth. It wouldn’t do well for someone to recognize him on the country-side.
The cameraplay in this scene is also an obvious indicator, they wouldn’t have gone to such extents to mask the features of a random peasant. Also, 2-3 frames of the animation show what appears to black hair under the hood and the hat, further supporting the idea that he is indeed Lelouch.
Finally, C.C. addressing Lelouch and tilting her head slightly upwards shows that she was indeed addressing the driver. This is pretty much self-explanatory. It’s also clear that C.C. would not have been as happy as she was had Lelouch truly died.
Therefore, with these solid facts, we deduce that Lelouch is alive, living out a secluded life, either traversing the countryside with C.C. or living with Jeremiah and Anya on their plantation.
September 30th, 2008 at 12:30 am
i want questions to be answered
1.) what is c.c. name?
2.) when C.C. return in her lacelot in episode 24
L.L.: C.C., are you ok?
C.C.: How rare, are you worried about me?
L.L.: your an important part of my force.
C.C.: Hmph. that is why i came to “pick that up”
the word “pick that up”. i know that it’s a shield with rockets and shoot it to karen but why did C.C. came back just to do that? i think there is something more
3.) what was the round thing object that c.c. was carrying when she was talking to kaguya in a boat?
4.) Is the round object that C.C. was carrying under the haystack at the ending of episode 25?
what is that round object?
September 30th, 2008 at 12:44 am
Seems like lelouch and CC are going off to live somewhere happily ever after?
http://i37.tinypic.com/egy1w2.jpg
September 30th, 2008 at 12:52 am
i think that other black knights realize the plan of lelouch. Maybe karen said to todu that lelouch is Zero not to suzaku (maybe the black knights realize the truth of lelouch)
i think Kaguya gets the point (she questions his motives when Lelouch abruptly leaves the situation, and she is eventually freed with the rest of the hostages. Because of this, she sees Lelouch’s true mask and part of his true nature, and understands him, which causes C.C. to call Kaguya a kind person.)
September 30th, 2008 at 1:22 am
Konami announced that lulu might be alive if you believe so… anyway i believe your theory and i think is possible!
September 30th, 2008 at 1:25 am
TROLL
TROLL
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Why C.C. Cried then ?
OH NO MY POOR LELOUCH IS MAKING HIS PLAN OF FAKING HIS DEATH THATS SO SAD
Get Real
LELOUCH IS DEAD
i know its not cool, every one of you wants season 3 with lelouch, but its over…
Lelouch died keeping his promise, and giving whole earth peace everyone wanted. end.
“”
Lelouch: resolve to destroy
Kaguya: destroy ?
Lelouch: resolve to destroy the earth, and even yourself !
“”
September 30th, 2008 at 1:25 am
Don’t think he’s dead..just a hunch. =/
September 30th, 2008 at 1:30 am
If Konami believe lelouch is alive then lelouch is ALIVE !
September 30th, 2008 at 1:36 am
People, people, his name is Rerouch. Lelouch is the americanized version. That’s why it’s R2 and not L2. Rerouch Ramperouge = R2. It’s also R.R., like C.C. and V.V. Hmm…
Code Geass: Lelouch = He has the code, he has Geass, his name is Lelouch.
Stop posting the picture of him driving the cab as if it’s proof of anything. It’s shopped.
It’s obvious C.C. has a thing for lelouch, that’s not proof he lived either.
I think C.C. gave him geass, emperor charles gave him the code. Thus he has both, and is an immortal with geass. C.C. and Suzaku cried at the end because they realized he will be hated for all of the future that he fought for, even though he is basically shouldering the sins of the world (hi Jesus figure).
It’s not irresponsible, it’s very responsible: he has control of the whole world, and is handing it back to the people instead of keeping it to himself. The only way he can do that without starting more war is by “dying”.
The fact that he’s immortal doesn’t take anything away from it. The majority of society thinks he was killed, that’s all that matters. His friends are in on the truth of why he is dying, but they know better than to go around spoiling it, and most of them don’t know he’s going to live. Only c.c. and suzaku would know, since they saw him get the code in the collective consciousness.
Whether he’s driving the cart is up in the air, it’s entirely possible that he just vanished into thin air. But it makes more sense for him to be there with C.C., since she’s really all he’s got left now. Most people think he’s dead, and suzaku has a role to play.
September 30th, 2008 at 1:56 am
Does anyone have information as to whether a special DVD episode or an OVA would be coming out in the near future? Just asking.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:00 am
Also, I’d appreciate it if you can provide the sources. You will be referred to correctly (so will the source) and at least all of us would have something to look forward to.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:01 am
bibi333 Says:
If Konami believe lelouch is alive then lelouch is ALIVE !
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lrn 2 troll
Fans know that Producer is “Sunrise” and rest of fags can google it up… anyway
yeah, even if his head is chopped off, and his body is burned he will live if Sunrise says so
but there is one problem
most of you guys think that geass script was written in one week and you will get another season announcment in a month… but that just wrong
Code Geass was made up like Naruto – from the manga
and manga ends with Lelouch death, so much for it
ofcourse it would be wise for Sunrise to make another season, even if it will be shit made up by another writer-fag to get more money out of fans, but that is just pushing it.
oh by the way.
example
“Death Note”
u liked it, loved it and third season never came
get used to it.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:04 am
i agree with more or less everything rerouch has said however… if lelouch did have the geass from charles – how come he didnt transfer any memories to kallen when she kissed him? and you cant say that he witheld the memories because cc had no control of her memories being transfered i.e. (suzaku, lelouch, anya)
September 30th, 2008 at 2:07 am
btw – i dont feel that there should be a season 3
September 30th, 2008 at 2:14 am
Masman Says:
btw – i dont feel that there should be a season 3
___________
Me too
i mean cmon
Lelouch kept his promise and gave up his life for earth peace, and thats why ending was so fucking awesome, and thats why whole series were so fucking awesome
what do ppl expect to be in season 3 ?
Lelouch miraclously revive
Nunally felt he died and felt his memories – those all apparently were fake ?
Ofcourse there is way to fake that death if he is immortal but there are few “details” that proves Lelu is not immortal
- C.C. Cried that alone should be enough because she wouldnt cry if he would just fake it
- that black shit under lelu eyes when suzaku put his “sword” in him
- Suzaku cried as well
September 30th, 2008 at 2:35 am
hmm…
- C.C. Cried that alone should be enough because she wouldnt cry if he would just fake it
- that black shit under lelu eyes when suzaku put his “sword” in him
- Suzaku cried as well
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– C.C. cried cause of his sacrifice despite his immortality, he’s giving up his life with his friends and family with the fake death too..
– C.C. was also tired/sick/under pain when she was being shot/stabbed/ “killed” too
– Two possibilities: either suzaku does not know that lelouch is immortal or he is sad by the fact that he loosing his friend (lelouch and C.C. isolating themselves)
my question still is… if lelouch did have Charles’ code – how come kallen didnt get a transfer of his memories when she kissed him?
ahhh, wait a sec, unless Lelouch never got charles’ code and took C.C’s instead after that incident – (you dont have to die when you transfer your code – V.V. was still alive despite the fact that Charles took his code – V.V. was later killed in his weakened state?)
September 30th, 2008 at 2:43 am
-.- so freaking obvious…i could grind that theory into nano sized bits right here but…i think i should just leave you dreaming. Or should i? well just the first “proof” for now…well here goes: dude…how many animes have you watched? ppl tend to talk to themselves alot in animes especialy in cases like this one here.And CC was no exeption she did it before. Anyway if CC lifts her head a bit and says ” …right lelouch?” that doesn’t really mean she was talking to the driver whose hair color is obviously not black. She could be just saying that to the Lelouch in heaven like they always do. And how the hell does a one time coincidental occasion like memory transfer become a pillar for a theory like this one? x.x Oh and tell me…where the hell is Lelouch’s sigil if he has one? got stuck in traffic? i think that him being immortal obviously requires one? And (sorry i just love this=P) how in god’s name does R2 sound like CC? Here let me give you a hint why its R2…ITS THE SECOND SEASON!! Dont be in denial ppl denial is the first stage of death…
September 30th, 2008 at 2:51 am
sry for double posting but i just read this and had to… to Dracyllion: no proof of him dying? so being stabbed with a sword is no longer proof enough? XD sry but even tho im an optimist you people are living in the world above clouds. I give this one a “belive what you see” mark. And an OVA would probably just ruin it all…PS: if you wanna know the truth why not ask the producers? ignorance gets you nowhere PEACE! =)
September 30th, 2008 at 2:54 am
If they ever do make a season 3 it will probly take place multiple years later and the world will probably be in chaos again.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:54 am
- C.C. cried cause of his sacrifice despite his immortality, he’s giving up his life with his friends and family with the fake death too..
are u fucking stupid or troll ?
Oh no
my poor Lelouch wont see his nunnally as retribution… this make me so sad 
C.C. is connected with Lelouch, she can feel if he is dead or alive
BTW
Lelouch havent mastered his geass until last episode thats why kalen couldnt see his memories.
Sleepy is right.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:56 am
PS: Lelouch is alive
September 30th, 2008 at 2:56 am
Lelouch is still alive.
1) When Charles and Marianne were killed in C’s world, Suzaku stated that he must kill Lelouch and take revenge for Euphemia. Then they cut straight to where Lelouch became emperor. If an OVA comes out I would expect to see a continuation of this scene that shows Suzaku Slaying Lelouch only to find out that Lelouch was then immortal. Then that’s when the final plan of Zero Requiem came to be.
The Code was questionably passed to Lelouch when Charles chokes Lelouch with his hand, where his code appears, the final disintegration of charles is without his hand…. which implies it may have stayed with Lelouch. The code activates after you die. This may be true or maybe just an over analysis. In that scenario, both Lelouch and C.C. are then immortal. Interesting….
Another possible scenario is that Suzaku did kill Lelouch in C’s world and as Lelouch was drawing his last breaths, C.C. gave him her code to save him. Her one driving force in serving Lelouch was that she couldn’t let him die so he can complete his promise to her. This could also be an over analysis on my part, but it does make some sense. In that case, C.C. became immortal and could have died in her fight with Kallen. That would also explain her desire to win that fight.
2) C.C’s original wish when she was given the power of Geass was to be loved. Even though her power gave her that wish, it wasn’t true love and she eventually locked it away. Her wish then became to die, becuase she had become disgusted with life, but was immortal. The entire reason she made the bargain with Lelouch in the first place.
Then she fell in love with Lelouch and started to long for a life with him and started caring for happiness and victory which was sort of stated during her final battle with Kallen. Lelouch was the first true love that she had ever felt. For her to display a sort of happiness at the end talking to Lelouch out loud stating that Geass doesn’t bring solitude after all clearly is a sign that he is still alive.
This point stands out even more so that C.C. herself is alive and happy since the only reason she could be both happy and alive is with Lelouch. Otherwise she would either be dead as originally promised by Lelouch, or be completely depressed and distraught that Lelouch did not keep his original promise to her before he died. When I saw her crying at the church, I thought that was the case, but then the very end kills that theory. So Lelouch is still alive.
If it was C.C. who gave Lelouch immortality, that would mean that she is mortal. Then there is absolutely no reason she should be alive, she could have just simply committed suicide. Unless she intends to live the rest of her life with Lelouch and have that love that she always wanted but never thought would exist for her.
3) The point when Lelouch is dying, Nunnaly receives the images of what Lelouch planned. The only time that has happened is by C.C. who is immortal. This also supports that Lelouch is immortal as C.C. is or once was.
4) When Suzaku drove his sword through Lelouch, did Lelouch give Suzaku the power of Geass. This also would suggest that Lelouch is immortal. Suzaku stated that he accepts this Geass. It could have been the curse of being Zero for life and the will to live bestowed by Lelouch’s Geass. Perhaps Suzaku himself now posses his own unique power.
- Either way the writers did their jobs well. By knowingly sparking this debate, they have successfully done their jobs and left plenty of room for expansion on the story line. However, if Code Geass is left as is with no more story to tell, then the ending has also served it’s purpose in closing out the main goal that Lelouch set To accomplish: “TO CREATE A WORLD WHERE HIS SISTER NUNNALY COULD LIVE IN HAPPINESS AND HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY AT HER DISPOSAL.”
She is now her own person with her own goals, ideals and ambitions to follow. His new world is for her and by extension to the all those who were living in fear, persecution and were denied the chance live to their fullest potential.
But I sure hope the story continues, there are a lot of unanswered questions.
1- Is Lelouch really alive? Is he Immortal?
2- Is C.C. still immortal? Did she pass it on to Lelouch?
3- Did Lelouch give Suzaku a real Geass Power? What Geass power is it?
4- The possibilities in exploring the origins of Geass. Where did it come from?
There can even be a season 3 in store for us.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:57 am
What is name of that music that plays in last episode ? it starts while lelouch ask suzaku to kill him and end in moment that suzaku stabs lelouch
September 30th, 2008 at 3:01 am
WTF MIKE IS ON THE COMMENT RAMPAGE!! GO GO!! Lol this is awesome.
September 30th, 2008 at 3:05 am
WOW MIKE IS A NIGGER GOGO PEDOPFILE
September 30th, 2008 at 3:06 am
What is name of that music that plays in last episode ? it starts while lelouch ask suzaku to kill him and end in moment that suzaku stabs lelouchh
September 30th, 2008 at 3:34 am
mader sky song name
September 30th, 2008 at 3:34 am
R2 stands for RUROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
September 30th, 2008 at 3:44 am
bibi thx
September 30th, 2008 at 4:04 am
All Hail Lelouch ^_^
BTW
R2 = R.R ^^ like C.C ^^ simple ^^
September 30th, 2008 at 4:14 am
You know how Lelouch put his right hand on the blood?
And they kept showing his hand covered in blood?
Don’t you think Lelouch was trying to cover up the Geass Code on his hand with his blood?
His father also had the code on his right hand, right?
September 30th, 2008 at 4:22 am
He is alive… Lelouch is alive… C2 is happy at the end… This shows that Lelouch is alive…
September 30th, 2008 at 4:29 am
“Is Lelouch dead or alive?”
You can take it both ways… I’m sure Sunrise purposely made it like this so if they ever wanted to do more with Code Geass they can… But as far as I know there will not be a 3rd season.
Also, R2, IMO, does not stand for Rerouch Ramperouge (lol). His name is Lelouch Lamperouge http://geass.jp/first/world_03_ex.html?pid=chara_01.html
Besides, I don’t think Sunrise is that dumb to misspell the main character’s name on the title (remember turn1, Lelouch’s log activity book? Check the spelling)
R2 probably stands for Rebellion, because if you listen to the radio (code geass dx, rurukuru station, hangyaku nikki) and the DVD commentary, the cast/director sometimes refer the first season as R1, and so if they have a third season (which they won’t), it’ll be R3.
September 30th, 2008 at 4:45 am
i posted this on another site and it said this
Shut the **** up lelouch is alive i read the manga and in the third season he is alive so suck on that all you lelouch haters.
However some of the plot thus far has been changed by some of the new staff that made the anime so he might have died but that would mean that they would have to create a new character to fill his part so its unlikely.
September 30th, 2008 at 4:48 am
I strongly believe that lelouch is immortal. I believe he received the code from C2 instead of Charles. When thinking of lelouchs death, it wasnt enough to atone for his sins with the geass, it was actually a blessing. I think he fulfill his contract with C2 because being immortal was equal punishment/redemption for using geass.
Just like how C2 suffered with the witch hunts ect.. Lelouch will now have to hide from the world forever because he played to be the enemy of the world. Thinkiing of what C2 went through as immortal and how lelouch just dies for punishment it isnt enough to justify the use of geass. I believe he though of this and became immortal allowing C2 to finally grow old and die.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:56 am
Well, to all those who think that Lelouch is dead thanks to the fact that he got stabbed by a sword and blood came gushing out. Go watch episode one of CG R2. C.C got shot at by bullets and was also covered in blood when she stood back up from being seemingly “dead”. Of course, I ain’t saying Lelouch is definitely ALIVE. (thats for sunrise to decide alright) But just because he got stabbed doesn’t mean he’s dead, and we all know sunrise productions don’t exactly follow the law of logic. (Remember a certain Kira Yamato?)
September 30th, 2008 at 6:50 am
well people… personally I’m for the “Lulu is alive”… but most of the arguments say that this make the end and all the cry usseles.. well… maybe nobody knows (even CC and Lelouch) that the code of Charles was transfered to Lelouch… Lelouch really want to sacrifice himself to atone for his sins… and sorprise… he awake in the morge… what do you think?
September 30th, 2008 at 6:50 am
Well we are talking about sunrise here people. the chance of lulu dead/alive is 50/50 If he is alive yay new season if not then that was a great end to code geass series. unlike the first season where u know there will be a next season, R2 gives doubt if there will be or not. only time can tell so stop bitching at each other.
oooo one more C.C. does seeming talk to herself earlier yet we know she is talking to lulu’s mother and mother is umm DEAD geass wise no but definately dead physically.
._. now i leave so that 10-15 year olds post random shit to me even though i wont reply back since i’m just implying a thought since im bored
September 30th, 2008 at 6:54 am
The fact of the matter is the creator of this series did this so it could be either way so that if they decided to make a continuation it would be easily explain why he still alive.
From the info from the show some are wishful thinking that he did got the code from Charles even though there was no explicit sign of transfer.
And with her comment at the end it could be translated that she talking to the driver, but if you also watch alot you notice the creator will have the character talking to her/him self. And that there look like she was looking directly up toward the ski (heaven w/e you think) when she said that.
But as of now HE is dead, unless he creator decide to make another season/movie/ or OVA or something.
Because sadly anime are made to somewhat end like this so that continuation season/movie/ or OVA may be possible if they decide to do so, and to allow fan to talk about this more and more so that when the DVD come out, there usally some more extra bit of stuff that will promote sales of merchandise.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:54 am
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September 30th, 2008 at 8:05 am
[...] ending of Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 is not an open ending, and I have more proof than mere table scraps that dogs have been feeding off /a/’s table. To look for answers, all you’ve got to do [...]
September 30th, 2008 at 8:10 am
just read the manga, it explains everything. when C.C. was talking at the last scene, the driver was lelouch. the manga shows that it was him, and he dose has his dad’s immortal code
September 30th, 2008 at 8:40 am
C. C.’s last sentence means nothing at all. She could have been speaking in a purely spiritual way. Plus, you act like you know everything about how Geass works, but you don’t. Half the stuff you present as proof were never stated as rules of Geass. Did you just make them up? Plus, in terms of the R2 theory, if he were to be R. R. and it was based on his name, wouldn’t his name have to be Rerouch Ramperouge? You know, despite the fact that they actually pronounce the L’s in the anime? I write this off as confirmation bias. Unless someone has actually read the manga, and it’s further along than the anime, people should stop hatching retarded theories to hold off the disappointment that inevitably comes when a good thing comes to an end.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:45 am
You know whats weird, on the picture of oughis wedding, you can see every important character, but where is Jeremiah and Sayoko, 2 characters who were really important for lelouch, I wonder ^^….
September 30th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Kudo is that true? Are there any scans of the manga available that show this?
September 30th, 2008 at 9:13 am
“People, people, his name is Rerouch. Lelouch is the americanized version. That’s why it’s R2 and not L2. Rerouch Ramperouge = R2. It’s also R.R., like C.C. and V.V. Hmm…
Code Geass: Lelouch = He has the code, he has Geass, his name is Lelouch.”
STFU ABOUT THE TITLES.
FFS, his name is LELOUCH, not REROUCH. If you’re going to trying to use that to prove your point, then use it CORRECTLY. If you romanize the Katakana of his name, is spells Ruruushu Ranperuuji. Katakana is used to spell out things that aren’t originally in Japanese or from Japanese origin, for instance, English names. Don’t automatically assume the rule of L’s being R’s in Japanese applies to everything. His name is Katakana is merely the Japanese pronunciation of the name Lelouch Lamerouge. If you look at any DVD covers or official artwork, they clearly spell his name as Lelouch. Rerouch is a fucking horrible name anyway.
If they even bothered to use the “Engrish” version of his name, why wouldn’t they used that for C.C. and V.V. as well? There’s no C’s or V’s in the Japanese language either.
Have you ever considered that R2 might just stand for Rebellion 2? Why the hell do you think people refer to season one as R1 and the “next” season as R3?
If you’re trying to stick to the “Japanese origin”, why the hell are you even trying to use the translated title “Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion” to prove that he has the code and geass? The title in Japanese is “Code Geass Hangyaku no Lelouch”. His name is at the END of the title, not next to “Code Geass”.
The show is about the Code, Geass, and Lelouch is the main character that started the Rebellion. What else could they possibly name this anime as?
The titles have NO DEEPER MEANING.
September 30th, 2008 at 9:19 am
Hmm…You know the Multatude of times C.C. has phsyiclly contacted Lelouch? How the memory thing didn’t happen 1000 times? the Immortal could probolly choose when they use it.
September 30th, 2008 at 9:33 am
well… the memory transfer inded can be controlled, but also tend to happen in moments of great stress or with people truly close to the code bearer (emotionally close)…. in Lelouch case could it be unconsius cause stress of his death… no!?
September 30th, 2008 at 10:15 am
I never considered that he might have gotten Charle’s code.
However, it is a possibility he could have C.C.’s code. Its never been confirmed that losing one’s code actually kills them, in V.V.’s case he was already badly wounded, to the point that losing his immortality would have been enough to kill him.
September 30th, 2008 at 10:27 am
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geass.jp%2Fspecial_01.html&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
I hope y’all get the translation, but they’re pretty much saying Lelouch is alive, you just need to read between the lines (no nunally pun intended)
September 30th, 2008 at 10:29 am
o_____________________________________________o; So that’s why Suzaku kinda tilted his head . . . or when Lelouch tilted his Zero helmet during the assassination scene. :O
September 30th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Listening to The Pianist’s Nocturne in C Major makes the ending twice as depressing, not heroic.
Lelouch proved to be one of the greatest anti-heroes I’ve seen as of yet. Yeah, Light was pretty cool, too, but I got my reasons.
September 30th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Sean: Where am I supposed to be looking? I just see them talking about transmissions…?
September 30th, 2008 at 10:56 am
“The regular broadcast of TV ended, but
As for the one which that scene would like to see once more and the one which is overlooked please enjoy with net transmission!”
September 30th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Lelouch is alive i had an email saying so from Sunrise =)
September 30th, 2008 at 11:08 am
I want proof that you got an e-mail.
September 30th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Damn it now im goin bak 2 the last ep..
ei i got a question why suzaku cried?? if what you said is true? does it mean suzaku
dont know the real plan and lelouch is an immo? hmm.. makes me think twice.
September 30th, 2008 at 11:11 am
i think R2 stands for rebellion #2…. correct me if I’m wrong
September 30th, 2008 at 11:12 am
they never really explain it they just told me he is alive
September 30th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Meh I don’t believe you, but I do believe that Lulu is still alive, none-the-less about what you say ^_^
September 30th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Pics, or it didn’t happen.
September 30th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Haha, what he said
September 30th, 2008 at 11:38 am
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/292/1222614260248in0.jpg
Just got that from my friend.
September 30th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Another nifty little fact, notice how the music cuts off for dramatic effect when she says, Lelouch? I think that that points out that he is alive!
=D
September 30th, 2008 at 11:40 am
I think of it this way. Lelouch is certainly “dead” at this point, continuation wise. Before anyone gets touchy on this subject, realize that this is an profitable anime, and if appropriate, might even spawn a sequel or a few OVA’s (we’re all wishing!). However, if there ever comes another season or what not, then one can take solace in the fact that Lelouch is definitely “alive”, to avoid pissing us viewers off. It’s not Code Geass without our star hero, all hail Lelouch!
September 30th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Haha nice,i dont get mad at people who think he is dead, i just stay content in my bubble, of “Lelouch isn’t dead, YAY”
September 30th, 2008 at 11:47 am
ei R3? means rebelion 3?? no way.. hehe
September 30th, 2008 at 11:49 am
wTf where did u get that image!! wahaha
u guys amuses me hahaha
September 30th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Me (23:31:03): He has to live, otherwise how would he make awesome Geass Musume?
R3, Lelouch’s daughter goes back to school. I called it here first.
Friend (23:31:27): Geass Musume?
I had found somebody make that comment elsewhere. Anybody know what Geass Musume is? Or if it even exists?
September 30th, 2008 at 11:59 am
The most obvious reasons for me that Lelouch is alive are:
1. At the end, when Nunnally held his hand, she sees all his memories, including the one where he hands the Zero mask to Suzaku, making her understand his true intentions immediately. Only someone with the code can share memories.
2. They purposely tease you by just barely missing the cart driver’s face. Would they do that if it wasn’t Lelouch?
3. C.C. tilts her head toward the cart driver slightly when she say’s “Right Lelouch?”
4. Would they really leave us hanging on words so easily implying that Lelouch is still alive? Would they???
September 30th, 2008 at 11:59 am
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September 30th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
I have to admit this was one of my favorite anime endings. This story was such an emotional roller coaster. At times I absolutely hated Lelouche and other times I was saying to myself “what a crafty bastard this guy is!”
The one thing that I did find completely unforgivable was bringing back Guilford…. I mean c’mon!!! The guy was disintegrated! I can kinda see Schneizel not killing his own sister and just aiming to disable her but Guilford?! WTF?!
*sigh* now that I have that out of my system lets get on to this Lelouch Alive or dead business.
I’ve probably watched the ending about 5 times now and analyzed it several times and between the telepathic memory transfer to nunnaly, Orange-Kun’s grinning reactions and C.C.’s final words I think it’s pretty obvious that Lelouch is alive.
I also think it’s pretty obvious that C.C. gave lelouch her code so that he could pull it off. Because if you go back to the previous episode she told him to make sure he upholds his promise to have her “die with a smile”.
I think that right before the parade, after all the plans for his assasination were made, he had C.C. transfer her code to him. Then afterwards he notified Jeramiah of his immortal condition and plans to be with C.C. This is why I think Jeremiah was always smiling when Suzaku assasinated Lelouch as Zero…. he knew that Lelouch wasn’t going to die at that point.
From a logistical standpoint it makes sense as well because Jeremiah would be the only one that would easily be able to wisk Lelouch’s body away after the assasination so that he could reunite with C.C.
Based upon Suzaku’s teary eyed reactions and Nunnally bawling her eyes out I don’t think either of them knew of his immortality. And he pretty much just had to play dead long enough to get out of site with the help of Jeremiah
I do think that they hinted at lelouch’s fate a little vuagely because if you didn’t put the pieces together the less observant viewer wouldn’t have gotten it.
What I think would have been the best and most dramatic way they could have ended it would have been to have C.C.’s hair blow away from her forehead to reveal that her code is gone right after she says “Eh Lelouch?”
That would have been fairly amazing… but sadly they didn’t… oh well.
September 30th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
I think Suzaku cried because he did not know about the immortiality and was saying goodbye to his very good friend.
C.C cried because she was sad for Lelouch… he was going to leave all his loved ones! And you know how much C.C cares for Lelouch.
Nunally cried because she really thought that her brother is dead.
And some people say that Orange is not devoted to Lelouch but Marriane. I think he is devoted to Lelouch though. Because Marrione is dead, so he can only be loyal to her by treating her son good.
Besides, I also really think that C.C was talking to Lelouch, not the sky. ‘Cos if you’ve watched all the episodes, I don’t recall one scene of C.C talking to herself. She’s always silent and still. She would only talk to SOMEONE not SOMETHING. I know anime charactors tend to talk to themselves but C.C is different, she never does so.
Like someone said, C.C is talking to Lelouch, she hasn’t reach the point where she talks to herself, where she isn’t sane anymore.
September 30th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
I’m sure everyone considered Nunnaly’s crane in the cart, which only Lelouch would have.
But has anyone even considered that C.C isn’t the type to consort with just anyone? She frequently isolates herself from everybody except Lelouch, so she hardly has the guts to go up and ask just anyone to give her a ride on the cart.
September 30th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Lelouch is alive…check out this clip on the uneditted ver.
http://cdimg1.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/09282008/a/e/f/e/aefecc75a75290_full.gif
September 30th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
dont know if anyone said this yet, since comments are pretty long… but has anyone tried to interpret the last phrase? “the power of Geass brings loneliness…that’s not quite right is it, Lelouch?” why isn’t “loneliness” “not quite right”; i believe its cuz lelouche isn’t isolating himself, he also has C.C. with him, therefore, they are isolated(in other translations) from the society, but “not quite right” since they have each other
September 30th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
QUOTE: 4. When [Nunnally touched Lelouch's hand], Nunnally got a flash of his memories. This ONLY happens when a high potential Geass user touches someone with the fully evolved Geass.
The only problem with this is Nunnally’s strange mysterious power via hand. She asked for Miss Romeyer’s hand in episode 15 and somehow realized that she was lying about policy towards the elevens. She tried to touch Suzaku’s hand in the same episode 15 when she accused Suzaku of lying. Note that Ms. Romeyer and Suzaku do not have fully evolved Geass. Either she really wants to touch people’s hands when she’s conversing or she has some kind of mind-reading powers via hand-touching.
If it is a geass-power (gotten from who-knows-where) that allows her to read the thoughts of the person she touches, then that should effectively debunk theory #4.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Note also, that in episode 15, the camera specifically focuses on the Nunnally’s hand touching motions in both cases.
You gotta ask, why the focus on the hands-touching, right?
September 30th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
The only thing that bothers me about the anon observation and orange-kun is that since Jeremiah is absolutely devoted to Lelouch and he proclaims himself as a Knight, then I don’t really agree with the idea that he would be against Lelouch’s orders, even if it meant Lelouch’s life.
Plus, you can reverse anon’s reasoning on itself… If he knew that Lelouch would still be alive, why isn’t he following Lelouch around instead of picking oranges with a loli? Plus, you cannot reason that he would suddenly obey Lelouch’s order to not follow him if he disobeys Lelouch’s plan to sacrifice himself. Ugh, getting a headache.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Last post… I actually want Lelouch to be alive despite what I’ve previously posted.
C.C’s geass was to be loved, and thus she could not really experience true, willing love. She finds that true, willing love with Lelouch and the story would be ugly and utterly unsatisfactory to me if Lelouch is dead.
It’s far more beautiful if Lelouch is alive and together with C.C.
Also… I hate KallenxLulu.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Lelouch is immortal, nuff’ said.
September 30th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
I lied, this is my last post. I ended up thinking that everything I said could actually be used to prove Lelouch is alive.
Even if Nunnally had a geass power (of whatever) and because Lelouch’s geass was fully evolved, then that triggered the flashes overriding Nunnally’s geass. Unfortunately, this is nonconclusive really.
Orange and loli at orange plantation farm in the countryside. Lelouch (Driver) and C.C in the countryside. Perhaps Lelouch and C.C lives with Jeremiah and Loli.
Also, I read somewhere in Animesuki forums that Emperor Charles VA was signed up for episode 25. Since there was no mention of him anywhere in that episode and also, he is dead, then perhaps the Code Geass Episode 25 Extended version (ala Gundam Seed Destiny Plus or whatever) will show Charles in a flashback focusing on the point in which his code transferred to Lelouch.
September 30th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I’m almost positive that lelouch is alive, and I’ll just name my points (lots of people ahve said the same things anyway)
1. R2 probably does stand for lelouch’s immortal name. someone previously pointed out that Lelouch Lamperouge is the americanized version, because in japan, all the “L” pronounced syllables are written with “R.” thus in japan it’s Rerouch Ramperouge.
And I don’t believe that R2 stands for REBELLION 2. why? because the japanese officla title is “Code Geass, Hangyaku no Lelouch.” Hangyaku=rebellion. if they wanted to name it rebellion 2 wouldnt it have been H2? once again, rebellion is only an americanized term.
2. There is no way that lelouch will die without regard to CC’s promise, because if he simply left her he would have completely failed his promise to her. His promise was giving her true love (aka the “smile”). if y’all recall in episode 15 of r2 when CC almost let charles kill her and was convinced by lulu to live on, lelouch shouted at CC while she was falling “I know it, CC! You’re geass! You’re true wish!” Thus, lulu intended to give her love and not death. and him dying would leave CC lonely and sad in the world again. I dont think lelouch would do something like that…therefore he must have known he would live, or else find a way so that they can die together.
Like my point is that whether lulu is dead or alive, CC would be with him one way or another. There is no POSSIBLE way that the series would even make sense anymore if lulu just left CC to herself for the rest of eternity, which is a pretty long time if u ask me. cuz half the whole friggin story focused on CC’s loneliness and her gains of happiness from lulu. theres just no way the story will end with her reverting back to her old life.
2. CC definitely did not give her code to lulu, because i had already said that lulu intended to give CC LOVE and not DEATH. therefore i doubt he had inherited CC’s code and will be doomed to eternity by himself. i just think it only makes sense for him and CC to be together, either in death or life or immortality or blahblahblah.
Also, do you guys really think CC will simply give her code over to lulu and be like “ok, i found true love. im going to die now peacefully and just leave my one true love to rot in immortality like i did! heck, i dont care about him anymore at all! I got what I wanted.”
I honestly don’t think so ppl.
3. i believe Lulu and CC will be together either in death or life, & well, CC is alive so lulu must be alive with her then.
4. who’s code did Lulu inherit then? charles is the only answer. my take is that people naturally inherit the code once they kill the person who had it. in episode 15 CC told lulu that people w/ certain level of geass get the ability to kill the immortals and inherit their code. well, isnt that exactly what lelouch did? His geass evoled into his 2nd eyeball and he was able to use his power to erase charles and marrianne. thus he should have naturally inherited charle’s code. the code doesnt activate until after death, and so suzaku stabbing him should have been sufficient to activate it.
5. i think nunnally’s ability to read a person’s feelings through holding their hands (ex: ms romeyer) is more of a tension thing than psychological powers. u can usually tell a perons’s feelings through the tenseness/relaxness of their muscles etc. plus, since nunanlly couldnt see for most of her life, she natuarlly adapted to other ways of knowing things. i honestly dont think she has supernatural memory-reading abilities. thus, the memory transfer from lulu to her was definitely makes more sense under the theory that lulu is now immortal etc etc
6. i dont think suzaku or nunally knew of lulu’s immortality. only orange, CC, and lulu know about it. orange cuz he was part of the geass research group for a while. plus, orange is a huge hint to lulu’s alive-theory. he who dedicates his LIFE to lulu didnt even appear sad or even slightly dishearted at his death. common sense tells u that it does not make any sense at all UNLESS orange kenw of lulu’s immortality possibility. plus, he is the only person who can manage to get lulu’s body removed to a safe place so that when lulu wakes up from the dead (sounds pretty darn emo) he has a body to return to. AND so that lulu doesnt wake up alive again in front of a group of people who thot he was supposed to be dead and get the wind knocked out of them.
7. to me, CC was definitely addressing the wagon driver (lulu in disguise). her head nodded toward him when she said “right, lelouch?” here are some of my refutes against other discnerments regarding CC’s line at the end:
a) CC was talking to the sky (aka llulu in heaven): CC was already looking at the sky. the fact that she faced her head even higher probably means she was addressing to the wagon driver behind her.
b) it was more of a retorical statement to herself: why then, did CC raise her voice when she said “right, lelouch?” she said it clearly cuz she was addressing somebody, or else she would have spoken in a softer voice meant for only herself to hear. but this was not the case.
ALso, the music stops at the moment she says “right, lelouch?” in order to emphasize those two words. if CC was only talking to herself, theres no need to make the phrase so important seeming. its pretty clearly pointing to the fact that CC was addressing a PHYSICAL person.
wow i typed an essay. i only meant to outline a few points, but haha who knew??
go CCXLULU!
September 30th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
It would kind of be a bummer if they didnt do a R3….look at how many people love this anime. If people want the anime to end, they can just not watch the next season. The way it ended, while good, didnt tie up anything. They showed like 30 secs of the world after Lelouch supposedly died. That is a damn shame. No questions answered, nothing.
1. What is CC’s name?
2. Does Lelouch’s geass have a time limit?
3. If so, when will Schneizel wake up from the geass?
4. Why is Kallen still a student?
5. What happened to Xin’que?
6. What happened to Todou?
The list goes on….
September 30th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Wow Raine, you rock so good.
Lelouch Lamperouge/ Vi Brittainia IS ALIVE.!!!!!!!! (:
September 30th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
[...] PS. As I was wrapping this up, I found some pretty good posts. So if your up to go even deeper into the meaning of the ending check out this post. It’s a response to another pretty good post but I prefer that one since it sounds like he’s on the same train. A good post for the HE IS alive fight can be found here. [...]
September 30th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
[...] PS. As I was wrapping this up, I found some pretty good posts. So if your up to go even deeper into the meaning of the ending check out this post. It’s a response to another pretty good post but I prefer that one since it sounds like he’s on the same train. A good post for the HE IS alive fight can be found here. [...]
September 30th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
wow, very good analysis. great job.
to me, this pretty much prove that lulu is alive.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
The writers said there will be an R3 and that lulu and CC have a baby and it overtakes the world and the cycle repreats,
September 30th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
lulu is dead. ex #1 alot of anime shows kill off there main person in the end. #2 when nunnally touched him and saw all his memory’s she would hav saw the ones about him bing immortal also if he had planned dat out. #3 the whole world knows what he look’s like how would he find peace in knowing dat if he ever relaxed some 1 could stumble by him and bam all dat hard work is 4 nuthing. #4 they wouldnt have killed off so many ppl he cared about lik sherliy if they didnt plan 4 him to die n the end. #5when c.c talked to her self she was looking into the sky the same way she was talking 2 lulu’s mom, if she was talking to lulu alive the ppl who make the show would have made sure u knew. and finally #6 near the end of the credits u see c.c looking over a cliff if was alive they would have showed him wit her to let the fans know. and there that is my theory as to y he’s dead.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
mhm.. I don”t know if someppl already said it… so sorry if that’s the case
In my opinion there is another hint for the thesis that Lelou is still alive.
you know… C.C. last words wouldn’t make any sense if Lelou is dead… i mean… she is talking about The Power if kings isolates you from everybody and blah… i think that she is not only adressing this to lelou… but to herself as well… C.C. had a Geass as well and now the immortality… so would be Lelou dead.. and maybe in heaven he is with Shirley and Rolo and whoever.. C.C. would be still alone and that would make no sense for me… i can’t imagine her traveling so carefree when she would be alone again…
so C.C. must be talking about her and lelouch breaking this rule…
September 30th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Lulu is alive!!! Though as its already been stated theres pros & cons for this theory. But honestly, if Sunrise didnt want us to question his death, why zoom in on the driver, and why didnt they just give him a random face instead of covering it up???
September 30th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
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September 30th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
i cant comment//
September 30th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
go to youtube and search for a video with the happy ending of cc and lelouch. I cant cant seem to put the link here. do they forbid us to put youtube links here?
September 30th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Hey, you made some very good points there! I didn’t even notice the things you pointed out until I read them here. All that things about Charles’ Code being transferred to him does make some sense.
However, how the heck can a Code-bearer still use Geass? Of course, the series did not explicitly say that a Code-bearer may not still own a Geass, but this is kinda… overpowering. And if this is true, it would make a very shitty excuse to trump up suspense and drama in a would-be sequel. (”Code-bearer who goes around forcing other Bearers to bestow Geass on him/her! Yay!”)
But I wouldn’t use the fact that C.C. uttered Lelouch’s name as support for this theory though. C.C. had a LOT of monologue where she uttered people’s names when they are not there or are dead. Also, remember that C.C. cried a stream while praying in her old church; detractors of your theory can still use that against you. Moreover, the wordplay and interpretations of the series title also make very poor arguments though – makes you sound more like an otaku than a debater.
And I can’t believe Lelouch would degrade himself to a level of cart driver.
Whether Lelouch is alive or not, it doesn’t matter – as long as Sunrise DON’T make another sequel. R2 was nearly screwed up, especially around the middle, and this awesome bang of an ending more than wraps the wrinkles in an otherwise perfectly great. At least until they get better writers. Like the guys who wrote for the Ghost in the Shell anime.
P.S. Personally, I prefer that Lelouch lives. There’s still a lot more awesome story to be milked out of this saga, and a second sequel would be so much sweeter if the wily prince still lives. Hey, if they can make Suzaku like he’s Houdini Extreme, any excuse for his survival is fine by me.
September 30th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Even with all the reasons supporting why he’s still alive it doesn’t explain how lelouch got from the point of being dead in a populated area to being able to be the driver of those horses. If he was immortal I’m sure people would notice, he wouldn’t be able to just stand up and walk out of there. Of course Orange and whoever else could have known and transferred his body but then why would Suzaku cry when Lelouch got stabbed if he knew he wasn’t dying..
September 30th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
I didn’t think I’d be posting again, but…
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sleepy Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 2:51 am
sry for double posting but i just read this and had to… to Dracyllion: no proof of him dying? so being stabbed with a sword is no longer proof enough?
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Not if he was immortal, which I personally do not believe, though. But he wasn’t exactly shown in a coffin or anything. I was just trying to point out that due to the lack of concrete evidence, the whole discussion on whether he’s dead or not is merely speculation. Most of the arguments from both sides can be negated as easily as they’re made. (As they are nothing but speculation.) The series didn’t exactly go out of its way to explain all the mechanics behind Codes/Geass. (It sort of annoys me how some people have been stating their interpretations as actual facts.)
Which reminds me of the argument that only immortals can transfer memories. While it was not shown, (as there were hardly any cases of memory transfers) there is the possibility that since the power of the geass comes from the Code, a strong enough geass might develop traits similar to those of a Code, for example transferring memories to a suitable recipient.
And before I forget, Jeremiah’s loyalty was initially Marianne’s, yes, but it would not end even if Lelouch were to die, seeing as he was NOT an only child. He would still have a master to serve. (Though with the world returning to peace, his services would no longer be required, right? Hence the orange plant. His duties had been fulfilled once Lelouch’s master plan was realized.)
Then again, why do I even bother. Those intent on proving Lelouch alive/dead aren’t going to just settle down anyway. It is a bit surprising how big of a deal it has become, though. All kinds of theories going around. Over-analyzation abound. If you look into every corner and crevice, it’s possible to find evidence even where there exists none.
And with that, I shall take my leave. May Lelouch live forever in people’s memories (whether he himself lives or not).
September 30th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Guys check this out. I also think Lelouch is alive.
And this guy made it really clear i think just read(bit long but good),
http://omaemo.dasaku.net/2008/09/30/code-geass-r2-25-for-dummies-or-its-not-the-horse-cart-stupid-the-ending-explained/
September 30th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
one more proof
in the end you see the paper bird from nunnaly (on the wagon…)
and it was said that this paper bird makes wishes come true… and nunnalys wish was to live with her brother
September 30th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
[...] ending of Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 is not an open ending, and I have more proof than mere table scraps that dogs have been feeding off /a/’s [...]
September 30th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
>> “nah, he’s dead. She called Kallen using Lelouche’s cell, then killed her, cut her open, and found out she wasn’t pregnant (probably). She then put Lelouche’s head in a bag and went on a trip in a NICE WAGON!!!!”
omg. Someone made a School Days reference up in the middle and no one commented on it? Dx
PHAILZ
My favourite comment here so far had been that Greek myth reference <3
ALL HAIL NATWAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(ctrl+f and search the page for “greek”)
September 30th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Nunnally touches Lelouch hand and got his memory.
=> why does she still cry if he’s immortal? she would have know that plan if ALL his memory is transferred.
Nunally cry —> Lelouch is indeed dead
Honestly, it would be disappointing for Lelouch to be alive. It’s better leaving him died
Quotes from Batman “You either died as a hero or you live long enough to become a villain”
October 1st, 2008 at 12:27 am
Dear h,
Look, death isn’t the only thing that’s sad :/
Separation is too. That could be one of the reason CC cried for Lelouch still, even if she knew that he was going to fake his death and run off. I’m sure CC would have understood by now how everything Lelouch does has been for Nanally.
And Nanally believed in her brother, had only wanted to be with him since forever. Their bonds were very close. If she learnt that he’s going to be as good as dead in her life, and he’s leaving her in such a manner without a real goodbye, a hug and all, she’d have every right to be as devasted as she would be if he was to really die.
October 1st, 2008 at 12:32 am
Plus Lelouch said, he had tried to think of all other ways against it, but in the end it boils down to only one situation. This could mean “having to fight Nanally” but it can also mean “having to leave Nanally who is still alive after all”. If we think it to mean the latter, it will show how badly he wants to be with Nanally now that he knows she’s still alive, but no matter how he cuts the cake, he couldn’t find a solution that’d allow him to do so without going against his Zero Requiem (which began before he knew Nanally was still alive)
We’re talking about the Japanese here. Heartstrings. Deaths aren’t the only thing that pulls at them :/
October 1st, 2008 at 12:36 am
-.-’ you people are ignorant… and nobody0 how the heck is that proof? O.o to Dracyllion: was just joking about that anyway… I also wish he was alive but until now i have seen no solid proof…just random scraps you paste together. I mean how the heck is a paper plane proof that he is alive? oh and this: “1. Charles grabbed Lelouch with his right hand, which had the Geass sigil.” so what? he was right handed maybe? and the blood proof like wtf…im tired of this stupid sh*t im outta here…come back in 10 years when you have proof worthy being called that
October 1st, 2008 at 12:57 am
I just refer to http://omaemo.dasaku.net/2008/09/30/code-geass-r2-25-for-dummies-or-its-not-the-horse-cart-stupid-the-ending-explained/
that is in my opinion a good proof that he is alive.
Sry for double post but take the time to read it
October 1st, 2008 at 1:16 am
to Reficul :
the article sounds like he’s alive, doesn’t it?
But that poster does not believe Lelouch is alive. Before he states all the parallel-ism, he states that he thinks Lelouch is dead. In his tl;dr (too long; didn’t read) he says that in conclusion, lelouch is dead.
October 1st, 2008 at 1:58 am
Look what I just found
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Code_Geass_episodes
when you scroll down, there is written that there are 26 episodes
26 “Lelouch of the Rebellion”
“Hangyaku no Rurushu” (はんぎゃくのルルーシュ) October 5, 2008 —
Answers questions not answered in the final episode.
Im really looking forward to this
October 1st, 2008 at 2:00 am
S1 stage 5. right after the opening credits.
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c2 makes that origami crane. (or at least one with the same color, doesn’t mater really, the bottom line is) she knows how to make them and that nunnaly liked them.
October 1st, 2008 at 2:30 am
~kami~ no there isn’t…there are 25 episodes listed there…where did you find 26?
October 1st, 2008 at 2:33 am
it seems that some fuckhead was trolling with us, just checked now and it wasnt there, but 15mins ago it was there
October 1st, 2008 at 2:47 am
Yea Raddo, I also just checked, it was there and now its gone, it would have been nice, but its not going to happen, better they make an OVA or something like that to answer all the questions
October 1st, 2008 at 2:51 am
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Lulu is immortal and living happily ever after with immortal C.C. Get the picture?
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October 1st, 2008 at 3:25 am
I hate when people are f**king around and trolling…damn them!!!
well,Sunrise has to say something about is Lulu dead or not soon…because there’s so many fans wondering about that…have they no heart
October 1st, 2008 at 3:25 am
i second that, i do hope that they do say something to us soon
October 1st, 2008 at 3:47 am
maybe .. just maybe … … that Lelouch didnt know he somehow managed to acquire the Code from Charles . . .
it has yet to explain the actual process of transferring the Code …sure the requirement states that the user must have grown his/her Geass to both eyes but the process of transferring the Code was never stated/mentioned…
October 1st, 2008 at 4:09 am
“maybe .. just maybe … … that Lelouch didnt know he somehow managed to acquire the Code from Charles . . .
it has yet to explain the actual process of transferring the Code …sure the requirement states that the user must have grown his/her Geass to both eyes but the process of transferring the Code was never stated/mentioned…”
If that’s true, Lelouch revealed his second eye before he killed Charles vi Britannia (may he rest in hell) so he then would have been able to acquire it. So yes, there needs to be an explanation on how that works.
October 1st, 2008 at 5:57 am
also during the conversation between suzaku and lulouch , suzaku says that they saw in c’s world that “everyone looks for future”. If hes dead he dont have a future.
also if is dead and left c.c to herself, half of the anime is for i wonder!
And also living forever is not an happyending as they showed in the anime that immortality is a curse rather than blessing
October 1st, 2008 at 6:50 am
Even though I think Lulouch is dead… WHICH WILL MAKE THIS SERIES A LEGENDARY ONE.
But, I hope he lives in order for sunrise to make an OVA or Season 3 (so this series will not be lengendary anymore.)
For all you guys who made up things (e.g. C.C. Looked at the wagon driver in the end). I feel ya.
But here’s your hope guys, I think if sunrise meant to keep LuLu alive. Then the evidence is in how you interpret C.C. last couple sentence in the show.
“Geass, the power of kings isolates individuals. But it’s not quite right, right Lulouch?”
I hope it means: Even if the world dies, TWO IMMORTALS = CAN NEVER BE LONELY.
Lol, Everyone has their fantasies, and I hope it means C.C. + LuLu forever stuck together.
KEEP DREAMING GUYS AND LET’S HOPE SUNRISE WILL GIVE US AN ANSWER IN A SHORT MOVIE OR SEASON 3.
October 1st, 2008 at 7:11 am
There will be no season 3
unless it main character will be suzaku… you want suzaku at main character ? i dont think so
also THERE IS NO EPISODE 26 someone edited article in wikipedia. They didnt announced it at the end of episode 25 so how in the fuck ppl would know there will be 26 ?
Sly Troll is Sly.
October 1st, 2008 at 7:17 am
yeah,yeah,we know that was a troll…no need to repeat the same thing hundreds of times,duh…
October 1st, 2008 at 7:25 am
Shit ppl lelouch is alive
Look at the scene when he stabs him closely
sword that tramped him was so fake, and so were that 20liters of blood
also nunally felt that they made a plan of faking that talk about faking his death
and so we have faking a fake and we got OH SHI-
October 1st, 2008 at 7:27 am
mudkip> that seems legit
October 1st, 2008 at 8:26 am
Why do you thin lulu should have gotten the code from charles? i think he just got the code from c.c this v.v guy didnt die because he gave up the code it was just that al those ppl wanted to die so they killed them selfes after loosing immortilaty. c.c gave lulu the key he survived and now they driving around living a nice live
October 1st, 2008 at 8:32 am
I don’t think he would even consider taking the immortality from CC… The whole intention was to have a soul mate that he could run away with… Charles code so far seems be the best explanation. Plus, CC realized she didn’t want to die, she wanted love, and with Lelouch immortal it would be perfect for her…
October 1st, 2008 at 8:37 am
Thanks everyone for posting feedback on the last episode of Code Geass R2. I really enjoyed reading your comments. As for me, I also believe he is alive.
October 1st, 2008 at 8:59 am
he is alive… 1st time, i thought he died; as i watched it again, it was clear that he definitely lived
:D:D
October 1st, 2008 at 9:02 am
For me it was obvious that Lelouch picked up the code of Charles and give it to suzaku at the moment of his death with a sword of the Sasuku, so he says suzaku be zero forever. But I liked much of the idea and firmly hope and pray that he’s still alive and that he is the wagon driver like many have speculated and with CC traveling around the world forever. sorry my english.
see ya
October 1st, 2008 at 9:07 am
Please people… it would be much less epic if he didn’t sacrifice himself. A false sacrifice would undermine his entire ideal, regardless of if he did it on purpose or not (if he did survive, he did it on purpose cuz he would’ve forced his memories on Nunnally, rather than her diggin it up from his brain.) Also, did anyone else also notice the lines under his eyes when he ‘died’? ewohughpeuphyaaewhgefrofasdl;kghjrologoejhoge
In my opinion, it would be better off if he died. But a part of me likes to think that he is watching everyone from C’s world…
oh and he knocked up C.C.
his daughter will find her origins
start up a take over the world shit
with another new series
and sunrise will make the mega bucks
but i’ll be watching on youtube, so HA!
October 1st, 2008 at 9:42 am
Anybody wonder if the the power of Geass lingers forever after a person is dead??? Charles Geass lasted a while before Nunnally defeated which could mean that the user of Geass must be alive for the power of Geass to last forever Now if Schneizel is forever going to obey Suzaku through the power of Geass wouldn’t Lelouch need to be alive? I could be wrong but does for the power of Geass to last forever must the original user be alive?
If no, then Schneizel will eventually break the Geass then go against Suzaku who is Zero throwing the world back into chaos.
If yes, then Schneizel will forever obey Suzaku as Zero.
October 1st, 2008 at 10:01 am
SHXT.
October 1st, 2008 at 10:02 am
IF THEY EVER DECIDE TO MAKE A SEASON THREE, THEN THAT’LL BE A YEAR OR SO LATER ONCE SUNRISE AND CLAMP FINISH THEIR NEXT PROJECT . . .
October 1st, 2008 at 10:04 am
All the above is pure speculation. The only credible reason that lelouch is still alive is his geass over schniezel. Once a person with geass dies, their geass over someone ends. (Remember Rolo in the research lab killing those kids who had geass on one of the soldiers. He crushes them, the geass over that guy ended.) Now should lelouch die, the geass over schniezel would be ended. However it isn’t. He serves zero. That is the only concrete FACT/REASON lelouch will be alive.
October 1st, 2008 at 10:07 am
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October 1st, 2008 at 10:07 am
? my b ?. i din’t see u had already posted ur response. I don’t think it lingers though. Nunnally broke the geass, but i don’t think she literally broke it. she was in a high stress situation looking for the launch device. In that state her body bust have just reacted like where is it where is it? boom she opens her eyes. once geass user die, whoever is under the geass, their geass is broken. case closed.
October 1st, 2008 at 10:10 am
Saheed how do you explain Charles’ geass on Anya and Nunnally still working after his death?
October 1st, 2008 at 11:13 am
“DarkCond0 Says: Saheed how do you explain Charles’ geass on Anya and Nunnally still working after his death?”
QFT
I wonder if that chick is still drawing the crosses on the school wall. Lulz.
October 1st, 2008 at 12:43 pm
but wait. As you said, when nunnally touched lelouch’s hands, she saw everything. If she did indeed see everything then why would she be crying so hard..as she believes it is Lelouch’s ACTUAL death.
she would have been able to see lelouch’s memories he and suzaku made that promise.
October 1st, 2008 at 1:02 pm
“in the end you see the paper bird from nunnaly (on the wagon…)
and it was said that this paper bird makes wishes come true… and nunnalys wish was to live with her brother”
Where are you people getting the idea that her wish is to live with her brother or for Lelouch to be alive?
In Season 1 Turn 3, Nunnally told Lelouch about a thousand paper cranes and being able to grant one wish. Nunnally said herself that she wishes for a gentle world, or in other words, world peace. Lelouch promised her with a pinky swear that when she open her eyes, she will see that world. A thousand paper cranes symbolize world peace.
Did Lelouch keep his promise? No and yes. When Nunnally opened her eyes, she didn’t see a peaceful world. So he failed. But in the end he did bring world peace. So should he face punishment (death by the sword in the gut) for not keeping the promise FULLY? Up to you to decide.
So I think a more accurate representation of the paper crane may be world peace, Nunnally’s wish for word peace, Lelouch’s promise… or all three.
How did it get there? Your guess is as good as mine. Someone mentioned that Nunnally gave C.C. one when they first met each other. Somewhere in Season 1, Nunnally was teaching C.C. how to fold one but got interrupted by Lelouch. In that time span, C.C. could have learn how to fold one. Perhaps Lelouch made it himself there. Maybe the directors wanna play God and put it there for decoration. WHO KNOWS.
October 1st, 2008 at 1:17 pm
I find it funny that questions are continually being repeated throughout these comments. It seems that people simply want to get their name out without even knowing if they are simply restating a previously stated question or statement.
To be honest it is rather funny and sad, but it seems Sunrise’s plan is working perfectly. The fans are becoming ravenous towards this topic and will want an answer one way or the other, this in turn will grant Sunrise a higher profit though Code Geass as it will allow them to market a new Code Geass production, whether it a movie, an OVA, or a third season. Clever, however if they do continue Code Geass, they need to be careful not to shoot themselves in the foot and turn the fans against them.
October 1st, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Ahh yes you’re summary proves a great point. Everything. I personally think he’s still alive. Just like how C.C died in the beginning but became alive again after the touch of Lelouch. Same thing for him there since he has the immortality of take the Geass twice from different people. We’ll just have to wait and see for sure though. I wonder if there will be another season…
October 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pm
@Nilok: I couldn’t agree more with you.
October 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pm
To Number 304:
He says hes alive cause read the last sentence:
“Lelouch dies, Nunnally cries, EVERYTHING IS BRIGHT, he’s resurrected in a haystack, just as planned.”
he says he ressurected, so in his idea he also is alive.
Well lets see what future brings.
But i think hes alive and like veenvid said, and i agree with that:
Immortaly is more are curse than a bless.
But to be together makes this a bit more comfortable
October 1st, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Whoa. I should’ve realized that there would be rampant speculation over Lelouch’s fate. I don’t think you’re pulling this stuff out of your ass since it does draw on examples from the series. However, it looks like the opinions of most fans are more or less biased by the desire for Lelouch’s survival, which casts doubt over the whole affair.
From my point of view, most of Michael’s “firm evidence” is based on conjecture. Theories like Lelouch receiving the Code from Charles’ hand is shaky at best, and calling C.C.’s last statement “painfully obvious” is a painfully hopeful overstatement: she could easily have been talking to the dead, as many people ACTUALLY DO IN REAL LIFE. As for the Code, it does indeed seem to activate upon death; however, since Lelouch’s fate is unclear and no visible Code markings are shown on his body we wouldn’t know if he had received it in the first place.
However, the reactions of C.C., Jeremiah, and Suzaku are also pretty ambiguous and are vague enough to work whether Lelouch lives or dies. As mentioned by others, C.C. may have been talking to the faceless cart driver or empty air as she so often does (like with Marianne, who was supposedly dead), Suzaku might be in anguish over stabbing his friend and/or Lelouch’s sacrifice, and Jeremiah would probably not be happy at all over yet another one of his charges being killed. Still, not enough to support the possibility of Lelouch’s survival.
However, the one thing I really cannot dispute is the memory transfer that happens when Nunnaly grabs her brother’s hand. As far as we know, this ONLY happens when potential Geass users make physical contact with a Code, and there is really no explanation to counter this. So while I feel that most of this blog post and the following comments are merely wishful thinking, this is one little tidbit that will keep us fans hungry for more.
October 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pm
I’d like to point out that Charles had the Geass sign on his hand BEFORE the code ever activated, and before the death of V.V.
If you go to to the scene where Lelouch is sliding down the ramp, freeze frame it mid-slide and you’ll notice no such markings.
October 1st, 2008 at 3:12 pm
I have to thank you for making this thread; it confirmed alot of things for me that I only vaguely remembered about the series since I watched the first season and the second season so far apart.
After reading all your reasons and such; it helped to affirm my already strong suspicion that he lived on! I really don’t see how anyone who watched the series and payed attention couldn’t come tot he same conclusion unless they just want to believe he dies at the end because it makes his message and actions stronger– everyone seems to love a martyr. Looking at the facts and reasoning you presented though should force any open minded person with any knowledge on the series to seriously question his death. (If not just flat out smile and nod their head like I did while thinking “Nice Lulu, nice..” xD)
October 1st, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Hmmm…the more I look at it, the more it seems obvious to me that he’s still alive. I REALLY hope there’ll be an OVA, that would be the best thing ever. The only thing bothering me with the ending now is that Kallen realized everything and is left without the love of her life lelouch… I would have liked to see, since the beginning of this series a definite relationship between lelouch and kallen. Damn I love Kallen.. (cry)
October 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm
I think he is alive from all the reasons that have been said above. And well, the serier gives sunrise pretty much money since it’s so popular, so I think they will make more episodes or something.
The end just was so weird… But we will see what happens.
October 1st, 2008 at 6:47 pm
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October 1st, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Well I listen to the end song very often, (when lelouch dies),
the song from Hitomi – Continued Story
I just looked up a translation and its a bit interesting whats in the text, let me show you:
“Let’s meet again someday
As long as we’re still alive”
and what makes me more think is that part of the song:
“There’s a new seat next to me
We’ll meet again for the sake of the future
Let’s try living through the day known as today
For as long as we can without façades
It’s sad and painful for people
Nevertheless, their roads continue endlessly”
Don’t you think they want to say us something with that?
Here the whole lyrics for those who want:
Even just with that single droplet
I just might be able to protect the flower
It’s your smiling face, and with that alone
I can even reach out my hands
If you gather up those trembling voices
You just might be able to start a wind
Light the fleeting glow known as your life
And move your feet forward
Let’s meet again someday
As long as we’re still alive
What are my overflowing thoughts
That overcome time yet get caught by it?
Where are those people now?
Who keep kindness in corners of their eyes
There’s a new seat next to me
We’ll meet again for the sake of the future
Let’s try living through the day known as today
For as long as we can without façades
It’s sad and painful for people
Nevertheless, their roads continue endlessly
Let’s meet again someday
As long as we’re still alive
That which the wind carries
Is a melody that opens up tomorrow
Let’s meet again someday
As long as we’re still alive
That which the wind carries
Is a melody that opens up tomorrow
I really love this song
October 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm
that is not true since he did not absorb charles. my basis: marianne and charles died in the same way so what did he absorb marianne to? and when charles absorbed the code earlier that was not the same way. what happened and is even said in the anime is that the world of c.c. absorbes them both. third is that the rule is that you give up your geass for immunity from geass. it does not matter who you absorb the code from.
October 1st, 2008 at 10:11 pm
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October 1st, 2008 at 10:37 pm
ZOMGWTFBBQ! Euphemia is still alive?!
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:54 am
Another good question that is still not answered,
WHAT IS C.C. TRUE NAME??? T_T
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:14 am
http://www.geass.jp/img/portrait_02.gif
Any thoughts on what C.C. is holding there?
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:20 am
It doesn’t matter whether he’s alive or not,he’s role in the series is over.That being said,I loved the semi-open ending.
But I find it unlikely that Lelouch would just die like that since he did promise CC he will make her smile and all that.
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:46 am
sean~
That’s obviously a pillow…
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:48 am
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October 2nd, 2008 at 6:03 am
Storm~
I was thinkin like, a baby, just in hopes of things >_>
October 2nd, 2008 at 6:12 am
haha,that was some good imagination sean…too bad we won’t ever see that :’(((
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:24 am
the manga might go past season. maybe just guessing. but the manga of code geass is so different than the anime. and it’s also developing really slowly
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:09 am
dear god i HATE the manga, it’s poorly drawn, and slow as hell, there had BETTER be an OVA!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:25 am
y do people keep sayin hes dead….. Lelouch is alive if u payed attention to the anime u will see that everything links up togheter all that was said is true he did take his dads code….THIS ANIME WAS JUST PURE GENIUS
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:56 am
“You ‘re not alone. We are accomplices. If you are a witch, I shall become a warlock.” –Lelouch, talking to C.C. Episode 25.
This quotation is from the first season. I’m pretty sure I don’t have to explain myself for this.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:03 am
what is starting to annoy me is how people keep nitpicking about the DETAILS of theories about y lulu would be dead or alive
of course i do believe in some theories supporting his aliveness, such as him killing charles and therefore inheriting his code, but in general i think its obvious lulu is alive cuz of his promise to CC.
like 4get the code, 4get the details, and if you focus on CC isn’t it obvious?
Recap ep. 24:
Kallen: You’re not fighting for a country or (something else i 4got). People like you for no reason to fight should just leave!
CC: I have a reason now. A promise.
At that point in time, lelouch hadnt fulfilled his promise yet. and then in episode 25 he dies…like what about the promise?? Clearly lulu wouldnt just LEAVE CC on earth alone for a good eternity again! Therefore he must have lived.
ppl are going to argue that maybe in the 2 month period b4 lulu’s death, he fulfilled his promise to CC. maybe he made up to her or something, but still i dont think dying is the answer to her promise. cuz still that would be leaving CC alone and sad again.
the story doesnt even make sense anymore!
October 2nd, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Does anyone remember the episode which C.C. reveals her name to Lelouch?
October 2nd, 2008 at 2:09 pm
The more i think about it the more i find that Lelouch is not dead…he has got a promise towards C.C and i don’t think that he will let C.C remain on Earth as immortal…secondly, as mentioned, Sir Jeremiah would not have allowed Lelouch to be killed and smile at the end unless he was already aware that his master was immortal…thirdly, the last sentence of C.C clearly indicates that Lelouch is alive since i don’t think that C.C has lost her head…as mentioned above, all points towards the fact that Lelouch is still alive…
However, there is a good reason that those who did the anime did not reveal the face of the cart driver…this allows people to decide whether he is dead or not…those who preferred Suzaku or hated Lelouch’s previous actions will surely want him dead while those who adored him will eventually want him alive; thus pleasing all…but i think that the percentage of people wanting him alive is more, thus various details have been added to point towards the fact that he is still alive…as for me, i truly believe that he is well alive and living a happy life knowing about what he achieved…Long Live Lelouch Vi Brittania, 99th Emperor of the Holy Land of Brittania…Long Live CODE GEASS!!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Good point Luvish, but I disagree. My theory on the matter is that they knew the end would make people talk and question themselves wheater or not he’s still alive, hence, it would keep the anime quite alive for some time, enough for them to do a great OVA that EVERY code geass fan on earth will wanna watch.
October 2nd, 2008 at 5:46 pm
October 2nd, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Nope lelouch is definately alive, the reason y C.C cried is because she knew that the price lelouch has to pay for using geass is to live forever. She would rather he die actually, because don’t forget she sees dying better than undying. You can see that by the contract she made with lelouch, which is to have her to die.
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:06 am
well if we all think rationally without getting swayed by emotions, we can see that there are only 2 facts that points towards the fact that Lelouch is dead…firstly, C.C crying and secondly, Suzaku crying when he kills Lelouch…if we manage to solve these two, then we can be 99% sure that Lelouch is alive…else we will be only about 70% sure (for me) that he is alive…it will not be 100% since those who did Code Geass who decide what happens in the end…but at least we will obtain personal satisfaction that Lelouch is alive and the end will be much more beautiful, what say guys? so lets solve these two puzzles…
October 3rd, 2008 at 2:39 am
I thought it was awesome! Especially the song Hitomi sang at the end. It was a nice closing for the series. I’m sad to see it end. Maybe there’ll be a movie!
Check my new Anime Music blog:
October 3rd, 2008 at 8:34 am
Well, I think if you watch it the first time you are so shocked that you wouldn’t notice that there are hints which aren’t a prove but (as metioned) hints that Lelouche could be alive. You’ll come to this conclusion after watching it a few times (which is given if you’re a Code Geass fan) you begin to see them.
So you have to ask yourself: If Lelouche is really dead, why would Sunrise give these hints if they want us to know that he is dead?
And on the otther hand: Why is there a clear prove that he is alive?
So even without the hints one should know that it is an open ending.
And, this is for sure, Sunerise will make an OVA or even (we all wish for it) a 3rd Season to answer all these questions.
Even if I have to write them so many mails that they rather decide continue the story than getting spammed by me all day xD
October 3rd, 2008 at 11:42 am
You know,
I am going to write a letter to Sunrise regarding the idea that they should allow the creators of Code Geass the chance to the Planned R2 version as the possibile R3, meaning that the current R2 series would be considered as non-canon. The series is popular enough for them to do a movie or another series. So this could be their chance to make things right with the original late night fans of Season One. I no longer recognize R2 as the official start of Code Geass season 2. However, the revised version would have to have a storyline that is different from the one we saw. And it must exceed them as well, which would be very hard to do.
I believe that the changes that was made to the early episodes had a profound effect on the overall season. The producers are certainly aware of it. In fact, the co-creator of Code Geass never went to the premere to see the first episode of R2 because he was so embarrased by it. He was force to the change the direction of the series because it was going to be changed to the family timeslot hour of Sunday evenings. This was why he make the sort of changes that made this season out of place. It did bring in the younger viewers as expected. But the mature feeling of Season One wasn’t there anymore.
I do hope that Taniguchi and Ōkouchi are allowed to do another Code Geass project that is based on their original concept of the first season. I just hope that the project takes place where season one left off.
Are you going to write to Sunrise as well? If they could do a Mai Hime remake, that went on to be better than the original version, I can’t why they can’t do that for Code Geass.
October 3rd, 2008 at 11:59 am
The ending of Code Geass made me very dissatisfied because they never resolved Milly’s feelings for Lelouch. He wasn’t even aware that there was another love interest waiting to reveal her love for him if he ever returned to Ashford Academy. It’s too bad that potential scene was never on the show because it would have been interesting to have seen. Of all the rare moments that Milly x Lelouch were together, interesting things comes out of their conversation. Milly would have certainly made an excellent love interest for Lelouch because they compliment each other very well. This is why I would rather see Code Geass do a remake of R2, as it was done to Mai Hime, to the version that the creators had envisioned. I don’t think that an R3 will occur unless it’s an alternate universe version of R2 that takes place after season one. This version could very well exceed the current R2, making it a non-canon season. I heard that Suzaku x Cecil were to have had their relationship grow into romantic love. I now believe that the same could have been with Milly x Lelouch. I think that the ending that we got might have been very different as well.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:42 pm
There is no doubt Lelouch is alive, why , because the last part ,where C.C. is sitting on the wagon, the person who is driving, look closely , he is Lulu. And 2nd point is, only person who is Immortal like C.C. can transfer memory. That might prove it is just an act the whole time.
October 3rd, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Sorry guys, but Lelouch is DEAD.
And there is a lot more evidence proving that than the opposite:
- The fact that C.C cries and prays for him.
- and same goes for Suzaku when he killed him.
- The fact that his body couldn’t have possibly disappeared since Orange-kun retreats immediately.
- The code is clearly not transmitted by Charles to his son: he obviously had no reason to help him in any way (and being immortal is an advantage I think ^^”), the sign never appeared on Lelouch
Concerning some remarks above:
- Why Nunnally saw his past/thoughts? Simply because it is heavily suggested that she can read people minds/thoughts thanks to her blindness. (done with Suzaku season 2, with Lelouch season 1)
- Why Orange-kun accept the plan? Simply because his master ordered it, this is what I called true loyalty. Besides, he surely understood that Lelouch would have reached its goal by his death: bring back peace to the world.
Finally, the last scene where C.C was talking to herself is clearly not a discussion with the driver. Looking into the sky, remembering old memories …. this looks like a lot more a reminiscence of someone already dead. This could have been different if her eyes suddenly went to the wagon driver direction.
My 2 cents on it …
October 3rd, 2008 at 8:27 pm
I want Lelouch alive ! !!
I hope that code geass will continued have season 3.
October 4th, 2008 at 12:13 am
Has the director released a comment on wether LuLu is dead?
OR
-special ending with C.C’s name
-OVA like full metal alchemist
-movie to place the remaining knight as the last enemy
-Produce an alternate ending?
October 4th, 2008 at 4:03 am
There wouldn’t be a real reason why the driver’s face is hidden if it wasn’t Leloche, would there?
Even though C.C. was crying, that doesn’t prove that he is dead.
October 4th, 2008 at 5:40 am
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=FMeHJef1iSA&feature=related…..C.C AND LELOUCH
THEY LOOK SO COOL
October 4th, 2008 at 8:57 am
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lulu is immortal and living happily ever after with immortal C.C. Get the picture?
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even if this was one of the best animes ever i do not wish for a third season, it’ll be like digimon 1 and 2, with the rest fking it all up
October 4th, 2008 at 9:44 am
I think they announced an OVA coming out this month, if that hasn’t been mentioned yet.
October 4th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Really, sweet i hope your not lying if so, better hide! ^_^
October 4th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Was just browsing around listlessly after finished watching the last eppie of R2 about 15 times…… Found this page and was armed with a whole load of reasons for why lulu might be alive, but I guess lots of ppl here just “took” all my reasons away ^^
If not for this blog, I wouldn’t have noticed all the stuff everyone said (like about R2 being R.R. and therefore referring to “lelouch lamperouge” since japanese has no “L”s), but now that I’ve read it I feel lots better XD Looks like I’m not the only one saying WTF LULU CAN’T DIE-
For all those ppl who deduced the possibilities or reasons for lelouch being alive, one word: WOW. Awesome! (okay, that’s two words). Schools should add in such stuff for Literature lessons, instead spending hours of analysing on To Kill a Mockingbird………
Me opinion that LULU IS ALIVE-
@chambeyc:
*lulu died on the weird vehicle-thingy he was riding on, so retreating along with lulu’s “body” would probably be the best way to get him away..?
*C.C. cried ’cause she knew the pain of being immortal would now be passed on to lulu(it seems quite valid)..?
*Suzaku mightn’t be in lulu’s good books (although they were good frens), anyway (or maybe I’m just anti-Suzaku). Look at how many times he defected to opposite sides (especially at the last bits, when he sided with emperor lulu, so lulu knew more abt his true character…), so lulu won’t tell him if he’s gonna survive anyway…?
*I don’t think Nunnaly has special powers. It was only because she was blind that her other senses were heightened, so she could tell if ppl were lying or not just by holding their hands and noting how fast their hearts beat… I think I’ll go along with lulu being an immortal, able to transfer memories…
*And for Orange (why Orange?? I think I missed or forgot sth, ’cause I never figured out why lulu called him Orange), it seems uber-strange why he was smirking so knowingly. I thought he was being a mean-o at first, and happy at the fact that lulu’s death would bring about the world’s peace (only his loyalty to Marianne and her children kept him beside lulu), but after a while his smiles were satisfied-like, as if Zero Requiem was actaully just another plan by miracle lulu.
Um. Is it just me, or is 2 cents very little to bet on?;D
PLUS the ending ending song, not “Continued Story”, the one after that, the Ali Project one-(okay, that’s enuf). It appeared so suddenly it made me jump in my chair, which was very annoying ’cause i was enjoying a nice quiet cry for lulu’s heroics, and thought the way the eppie ended with that song very inconsiderate for those sentimental ppl that like having nice quiet cries (like me)….then it occurred to me that the ppl won’t add in that song, if they wanted to finish the anime off in a beautiful way that makes ppl go, “Damn beautiful ending for a bishie” so…..
*smack*(quit babbling) Believes Lulu didn’t die, but i don’t think i want another season if it will spoil the whole thing. Or maybe they can have something about lulu’s and C.C.’s child ;D I think I remember in the episode when c.c. blew up an entire train containing data for geass research, when she said something like, “the geass line ends here” and then sth that had the words ” except mine and lelouch’s” ^^D
Darn, just wanted to write a few lines in the 1st place……
October 4th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
@lulu:
where did they announce the OVA???I want proof!!!
October 4th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
I want code geass will have stage 3
so..
I hope it.
if Lulouch died code geass not continued stage 3,
i hope and really believe that ckde geass will have stage 3
!!!! !!!! !!!!
Immortal.. Immortal.. Immortal..
October 4th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
I’d like to think that Lulu is dead myself, since sacrificing yourself for the world is a darn noble thing to do, and I’d like to preserve that part of him instead of make him out to be a coward (which personally is what I would see him as if he ended up alive still). Lelouch isn’t Schneizel in that he’d only create situations in which he would never ‘lose’. All of Lelouch’s talk about punishment as he was dying, C.C. crying, the fact that Nunnally continued to cry even after seeing his memories, key characters realizing what he was doing…it all comes together as an epic moment that I don’t believe should be tarnished, otherwise Lelouch would have just been continuing to manipulate these people, which is just the kind of thing that he wanted to destroy for the new world, setting the death of himself as the vital turning point.
Some bits I’m confused on that seemingly contradict each other though, which make me think that either the writers missed some details in their own creation, or they deliberately wrote it to go either way (Though the series itself is written to be complex, I still think the ending should be taken at face value).
I’d thought before that C.C. looked up to the sky in the end to reflect on a loved one that has passed on (it’s a common thing to do that you know). Then trying to explain it in CG Universe terms, C.C. was communicating to a dead Lelouch through her code and his geass (reference below). But what we thought was C.C.’s communication with the dead, was actually just a side effect of Marianne’s Geass which let her communicate telepathically with C.C. BUT, despite Lelouch’s knowledge of that fact (when he met face to face with Charles and Marianne in the World of C), upon their discovery that Nunnally was still alive, Lelouch still asked C.C. “Why didn’t you know about Nunnally?” to which C.C. replied, “I’m not aware of those not linked to Geass.” So Lelouch asked her that question, believing in the fact that she could communicate or at least tell whether somebody had died or not, and she didn’t outright deny her ability to communicate/sense the dead or remind him that her communication with the “dead” was in fact just a side effect of Marianne’s geass. If she does have the ability to communicate/sense those who have passed away and who were connected with the geass, then it’s plausible that she was “communicating” with a dead Lelouch.
Despite the contradiction in the above, I can’t deny the evidence that suggests that he might be alive either. The two biggest ones being that Nunnally saw his memories, and the other which I just caught after reading through some of these comments, that Schneizel is still under the influence of the Geass after Lelouch supposedly passed away.
As some of the “evidence” written in the post above (which I think whoever wrote it made a slight mistake), memory transfers apparently happen between a person with a Code and somebody else. What’s written above though is that memory transfer may also happen between a person with a fully developed Geass and somebody else, which has crossed my mind. When C.C. made Suzaku see his own memories (season 1), Lelouch also made contact with her, which let him see C.C.’s memories in more depth. It looks like maybe anything to do with memory can either be deliberate or involuntary. When C.C. first made the contract with Lelouch, she was temporarily dead, but was still communicating with him through her mind. If Lelouch had a code by the end, he could have said a little something to Nunnally when they touched, but he didn’t say a thing, but instead showed his memories. Whether that was deliberate or involuntary who knows, but that show of memories could have been caused because of his Super Saiyan Mangekyou Level 2 Geass.
The more compelling argument though, is that Schneizel is still under the influence of Lelouch’s geass (i.e. he’s still serving Zero after Lelouch’s death). I doubt this was able to be tested by Lelouch when he was first experimenting with the restrictions and limits of his geass. However, apparently the user who is under the influence of Geass is supposed to snap out of it when the user dies, as was shown when Lelouch attacked the geass order. Those kids there geassed a dude into killing his partner, then Rolo comes and says “hi, bye” and kills the children, which released the geass on the guy).
Despite some evidence here and there for one argument, there is equal amount of evidence on the other side which contradict each other, so….when thinking about it, it could go either way, but only because there are contradictions and things weren’t thought out properly to make it “complete.” I still want to believe though that Lelouch is dead, not because I wanted him to be dead, but just because the events that happened surrounding his death were so touching, and imo I think that should be left the way it is.
So yea…I only planned on writing a few lines in the first place too… I got too into it….but it’s fun trying to search for the truth I guess, but kills at the same time to not find anything concrete lol.
October 4th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
oh and about R2 being Lelouch’s immortal name. His name is officially spelled as Lelouch with an L in the anime itself yo.
Rebellion 2. Think of that as the subtitle, and the full title of the entire series being Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion. This isn’t the first anime to name things like that you know (Ghost in the Shell SAC anyone?)
October 4th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
In addition to the bit about memory transfer I wrote above, memories should also have been transferred (uh…maybe) when Charles got Lelouch in a choke hold, since technically he was on the verge of dying too (ok fine, “disappearing”). And even if Lelouch did receive the code, C.C. should have caught on, as is assumed that if she can sense those with Geass, she can sense those with the Code as well. Which would make her crying scene before Lelouch’s death meaningless.
October 4th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Yes in a way he did die, but now he’s immortal, with CC. Yay Lulu-CC for all
October 4th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
who can tell me?
Code geass will have stage 3 ??
who know please answer!!!!!
October 4th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
This is just like the Paul McCartney controversy. Its a fakE!!!
October 5th, 2008 at 4:02 am
Some more information that I just thought up of as I was waking up (from having a dream related to Geass in some minor way no less lol…been thinking way too much about this)…
Anyway, if the geass is supposed to be lifted when one dies, then the memory rewriting geass that Charles placed on both Anya and Nunnally should have been broken as well. Well, I guess they should have been broken (maybe) when Charles lost his geass when he obtained V.V.’s code. Well in any case, geass or code related, Anya would have regained her memories and Nunnally should have been able to see right away, but, they were the same as always. Anya still had to be de-geassed by Orange, and Nunnally had to break through hers through sheer willpower. I’m led to believe that the effects of a geass cast upon somebody by a fully developed geass user does not break when he dies. So Schneizel still serves Zero because of that fact, and doesn’t really prove or disprove either side of the argument, though it adds support that wasn’t there before for the Lelouch is dead ending…
October 5th, 2008 at 4:26 am
“The most obvious reason would be CC calling to Lelouch in the closing scene of the episode. As we can assume CC to be still sane, she must be talking to someone, and that someone would most probably be the driver of the cart: Lelouch would have to be alive.”
Have you forgotten C.C can talk to Marianne, v.v without them being physically in the room?
Another example is Charles able to talk to Clovis despite being DEAD
However, I do hope he is alive and it’d make more sense saying he is required to die once like the rest before turning immortal thus losing his geass.
Lelouch is stabbed->Falls to Nunnally-> Possibly loses his geass and fullfills his requirement of owning a code->That moment Nunnaly touches him and sees the plan/memories.
Question is, did Charles give the code or c.c? Does Charles have any reason to give the code? Does Lelouch even know how to take a code? He doesn’t even know what a code is exactly.
October 5th, 2008 at 6:35 am
That’s been something I’ve been wondering too. It seems that the code can either be forcefully given (nun -> c.c.) or forcefully taken away provided I guess the taker has a powerful enough level of geass (charles <- v.v.). I don’t know if Charles had any reason to give Lelouch his code. Would he have given his code to give Lelouch the ability to stand up to Schneizel (as somebody else above said I think)? Why would he care how the world ends up if he’s not around to see it? If they’re not around, then that’s it for them. That’s probably why Charles ended up taking V.V.’s code, as well as preserving Marianne’s body, because they were banking on being around when.
October 5th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
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October 5th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
All Hail Lelouch!!!!
All Hail Lelouch!!!!
All Hail Lelouch!!!!
You are in my heart forever !!!
October 5th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Goodbye Lelouch ..
If we miracle, we will see you again Lelouch.
You have done well Lelouch..
You do for your lover and everybody love you.
……
Geass Immortal ….
CC. Immortal ….
or not ..
October 5th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
If the code is activated upon death.. then
“Nunnally held Lelouch’s hand he transferred his memories to her”
how is this possible? he wasn’t dead at that point, so no code right? so her being able to see the memories was off another thing…
October 5th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Lelouch is dead, for the world. He created a peaceful world.
But he lives with C.C.
Because the fact C.C can’t die, Lelouch isn’t able to fulfill the contract.
But better being immortal and live with C.C so the contract is somehow fulfilled.
“I am a witch” – “So I will be your Warlock”
October 5th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
First, Orange might have possibly realized that mariana was living in the heart of anya. that is why he didnt kill her at the end. that is why he was picking oranges with her at the end (haha orange picking orange. i just realized that). 2nd, when CC looked at the driver.. she wouldve just been looking at the sky (at lulouch’s spirit w/e). and last, when nunnally touched lelouch’s hand and saw the truth; remember that nunnally was able to tell wether a person was lying or not by touching his/her hand? her ability to see the truth. but then again, lelouch could still be alive. that is what i want to believe =]
that he can finally have a peaceful life with c.c. at long last
ALL HAIL LELOUCH!
October 5th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Lelouch dies, but you are alway in my heart and code geass fans forever.
may be we will have miracle for lelouch ..
Immortal.. geass
October 5th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
All you people who think lelouch is dead shouldnt even be watching such an intelligent anime. If you can’t even notice the many many clues that lelouch is alive then you should go back and watch pokemon or something.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:11 am
Okay! I’m as confused as everyone else, but this is what I believe!
Lelouch recieved Charles code, but Lelouch never knew about it. C.C., however, thought that Lelouch recieved Charles code, she was making a guess/prediction and praying that she would be right. She cried as a way to show how worried she was that she may be wrong or to show how much she wanted to be right.
Suzaku didn’t know about it, his reason for crying is that he had changed his mind about wanting to kill Lelouch, but he knew that it was the right thing to do.
Nunnally recieved Lelouch’s memories not because he shared them, because the code was activating and those were his most recent thoughts.
Possibly C.C. or someone who could’ve been Geassed to do so, removed his body.
On a 3rd season? Not possible, The world is at peace, wars are gone, hatred has disappeared. They wouldn’t have a good enough storyline because everything would be peaceful.
October 6th, 2008 at 6:54 am
I don’t know why would’t he show/tell his plan to nunally. But then again she says I can’t live without you or something like that and later you see her smile, when she gives ohgi a hand, like nothing happend so I don’t know I want him to be alive but that would’t be a good ending for the serie
October 6th, 2008 at 8:08 am
SUNRISE WILL RELEASE A CODE GEASS R2 EPISODE [ 26 ] INCLUDED IN THE CGR2 DVD SET.
October 6th, 2008 at 9:29 am
OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! I Hate the Creators So MucH GIVE ME PROFF HE IS ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! THHHISS WILL DRIVE ME CRAZY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE TILL I GET PROOF!!!! I DEVOTED my ENTIRE LIFE TO CODE GEASS!!!!! I Dress like him and dyed my hair his color and were my hair the same way!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’d make babies with him if i was a girl!!!!!!!!!!! WHY WHY O WHY DID YOU NOT GIVE ME PROFF HE IS ALIVE. T.T T.T T.T YOU RUINED MY LIFE DOING THIS!!!!!!!!!I WANNA TAKE A Gun TO MY THROAT AND KILL ME!!!!!!!!!!! You Ruined my life MAKE A OVA AT LEAST SHOWING ME HE IS ALIVE WITH C2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ PLZZZZZZZZZ OH PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. I Cant live with my life not knowing. Trust me you will see me on tv as the guy who wrote the suicide note and killed himself bc he didn’t know if Lelouch servived in the end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 6th, 2008 at 11:52 am
O.O ok then….
October 6th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Where did you see the info concerning episode 26?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 6th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Now, I’m very confused.
I’m not sure ’bout lelouch died or not.
but i waiting for code geass seasons 3 or short movie
i hope it will be have it.
October 6th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
“I continue to fight!”
Love code geass song
i love all of them
love lelouch
haha ..
October 6th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
All of you are complaining about another episode or a 3rd season. All we need is a picture drama!
October 6th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
– Lelouch is alive… –
– Lelouch is alive… –
Charles Geass had evolved to the higgest possible level. When V.V was in brink of death, instead trying to recover he’s wounds he passed the code to Charles and eventually died off.
For the activation of the code one must die first, and the power of kings will turn into the power of the gods. Charles propably suffered he’s “death” when he was victim of lelouch’s geass. C.C was bloodied when she gained her code.
In the world of C right before charles death the code was placed on lelouch, into he’s throat waiting for activation.
It’s funny when there was no pictures of lelouch being buried in graveyard, atleast when Zero was Suzaku and Nunally saw Lelouch’s memories.
Lelouch had he’s death and the geass code he had should’ve activated.
October 7th, 2008 at 4:39 am
LOL since when did Lelouch kill Charles? Thats the dumbest thing ever. Lelouch didn’t have power to kill Charles. He simply Geassed the minds of all in the thought elevator to reject Charles idea which resulted in the rejecting of his existance. And the even funnier argument is that Charles grabbed him with his Geass sigil LMAO LOL o no Lelouch touched the sigil now he has super powers. LOL you guys are willing to say anything.
October 7th, 2008 at 4:50 am
and for those that yell at us for not understanding the “intelligent” anime that code geass is. YOU are ignorant for not understanding the philosophy of the main anti-hero. EVEN if he should live, he WILL die again. WHY? because he chose to be the origin of sin, hate, and evil. even if he didn’t know and became immortal, he WILL kill himself somehow someway. LOL thats 99.99% of the world wanting lelouch dead and himself .01% always wants to sacrifice himself. o whats that percentage? thats 100% for him to die again even if he should survive his first death. Him surviving goes against everything he believes in: a mass murder and agent of chaos. so him surviving = go kill urself again.
October 7th, 2008 at 5:17 am
Lelouch no tameni so ?
October 7th, 2008 at 6:18 am
eh V.V then how come Nunally could see Lelouch’s past really and its not cause his geass was fully developed it was cause he was like C.C most likely but its up to sunrise they’ll probably release a Ova or something hopefully but we all hope for a season 3 why can’t you all be happy not knowing what you want sunrise to make up some ending =/
October 7th, 2008 at 6:18 am
sorry not you V.V i was talking to L2
October 7th, 2008 at 6:20 am
also the R2 could that be Rurūshu Ranperūji for R.R like C.C ? cause that is the Japanese Version of his name O.O
October 7th, 2008 at 6:57 am
1- I wonder how the world will deal with this zero? didn’t the black knights know that it was lelouch? and what became of schneizel? (btw do you see the similarity between zero and zorro?)
2- didn’t Jeremiah cancel suzaku’s geass? then how did it reappear in the following episodes?
3- what if Lulu and CC had children, wouldn’t they notice that their dad is immortal?
October 7th, 2008 at 7:01 am
@ L2
maybe if they eventually found out about lulu they will accept him as the true savior because although he used many tricks and deceits he united the world in peace. they will see his product and welcome him back to recognition, perhaps.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:04 am
@ Ikuto’s “Also, the producers said a while back that both Lelouch and Suzaku had a happy ending.”
^ Haha, so it was real @.@; I thought I imagined it… I was wondering when someone would point that out >”<
October 7th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Okay. There is a large possibility that when Nunnally touched Lelouch’s hand, it was neither memory transfer or Geass.
First of all, Nunnally looks at Lelouch’s facial expression first, she seems a little shocked then reaches for his hand. This means she knew something wasn’t right. She had probably thought of a question in her mind like “Did you plan this out?” or something along those lines. She touched hand and found out the truth, Lelouch even confirmed that. Nunnally knew her brother couldn’t be killed that easily, if it were a random attack, Lelouch wouldn’t let that happen. The only way Lelouch would let that happen with a smile on his face is if he had planned it. So Nunnally thought of a statement/question that could be answered true or false. She found out that it was true that Lelouch had planned it all out. She also discovered his true intentions, which made her realize that Lelouch cared about the world and that he threw away his life for everyone’s happiness.
Okay, I’m straying from my point but it wasn’t a memory transfer or Geass.
October 7th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
I refused to believe that Lelouch could have died.
–*
But that ending.
I’m going to end up watching the series again
just to figure out if he’s really dead or not.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
It’s hard to believe that it’s all over now.
Long Live CODE GEASS!!!
All Hail Lelouch!!!!
October 8th, 2008 at 2:51 am
I agree 100% I would also like to add that in the end Jeremiah is seen working in a farm instead of working with Nunnaly (which is kinda surprising if you ask me because he has always stayed beside the Royal Family) and not to mention Lulu’s most famous quote to C.C. at the end of the first season, “If you are a witch, then I am your warlock”. And in R2 ep 24 while C.C. was fighting Kallen, she mentioned that she and Lulu made a promise which we really don’t know too much about, but I think it has something to do with making her smile but he still didn’t really seem to do that yet and I doubt Lulu would break his promise to the one who enabled him to move forward
October 8th, 2008 at 4:01 am
@ Sonae
looks like you have been watching too much hunter x hunter :p
@ Geassfan101
all indicators show that lelouch will live with CC on a farm as lovers and mates and CC will grow old and die naturally which is what will make her smile.
October 8th, 2008 at 4:08 am
by the way, what is the command on schneizel? is it to obey zero or lelouch? if it is zero then lelouch was cot acting as zero ever since he commanded him. if it is lelouch then he is gone away but still alive then what will schneizel do?
that’s 2 holes I found in the plot.
the first one I said earlier about Jeremiah previously cancelling suzaku’s geass but then it reappeared in later episodes.
October 8th, 2008 at 4:09 am
correction: …. was not acting as zero ….
October 8th, 2008 at 4:10 am
these are serious plot holes I just mentioned and somebody had better give a damn. :p
October 8th, 2008 at 5:19 am
It’s just a plot inconsistency, NANARIIIII. R2 has been full of them, so it’s best to take it as a tragedy of exposition. :/
October 8th, 2008 at 8:31 am
@ Mark
well then these are serious inconsistencies. the details don’t work out, the story’s presumption fails, we have all been had, this anime was marquee sensationalism and fan servicing and catering all the way. which is still otaku candy though :p
October 8th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Check out Hunter x Hunter and Seirei no Moribito instead.
October 8th, 2008 at 9:03 am
They haven’t really cleared something off on the 2nd season.
Remember the 1st season where Zero and C.C. where inside the cave and Zero heard C.C. real name. He was shocked. Why would he be shocked from hearing her name? Strange is it not? And what’s the deal with V.V. is he the same as C.C. then are there more of them like in the flashbacks with people who have birds on their heads. Where and how did V.V. get his code and how many more are there? The 2nd season doesn’t answer any of this.
October 8th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
it’s not clear enough
many people have not same opinion or reason
confusing now
i think we should wait for sunrise to give up the answer for stage 3 or movie
haha
i hope it will be have
October 9th, 2008 at 9:01 am
ok, here’s an additional evidence. Lelouche told Suzaku that Schneizel will still follow Zero’s orders.
correct me if i’m wrong, but if Lelouche really died, wouldn’t that break the geass over Schneizel?
October 9th, 2008 at 9:10 am
ooops looks like that was already brought up. sorry. but to me, it IS the most compelling sign that he’s alive. really, would Lelouche keep schneizel alive unless he knew FOR CERTAIN that he would still have absolute control over him? if there was even a .001% chance of the geass being broken, he would have killed schneizel and spared the world the threat.
October 9th, 2008 at 10:11 am
We will get word finally whether he is dead or not!!!
oh here it is guys.. From the creators themselves.. LOOK WHO IS LISTED AS DEAD!!!
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4778311515/
I swear if ppl still deny it…I dont know what to say..
Plus a new interview with Ōkouchi about Lulu and guess what that says.. it basically implies he is dead..
Taniguichi made no statements about Lulu’s survival, but did state he will not say anything about the epilogue *that lulu is dead probably and so that fans/rabid shippers dont rage)
but said everything else is everyone’s imaginations.. probably talking about C.C, Suzaku, Ect..
October 9th, 2008 at 10:54 am
ok, I have seen people try and use this argument for Lelouche being dead way to many times. C.C. was able to talk to Mariane (or however you spell her name) because of Mariane’s Geass. She explains that to Lelouche while in the world of C.C. Also, all throughout the entire anime C.C. has NEVER talked to Lelouche while he wasn’t there, why would she start after he’s died? She can’t communicate with the Collective Consciousness. and as for the above, all it states is what others have said before, their letting us come to our own conclusions. I just wanted to post this so at least that argument can be shot down.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
What people fail to understand, is that CC is talking to two different possibilities. Either she is actually talking to Lelouch directly, or she is talking to the sky. People don’t seem to get that others do that, sometimes people talk to the “heavens,” in movies, anime, and even real life. Normally towards the deceased.
It’s rather annoying when people always bring up the fact that CC is only talking to Marianne though a link. CC doesn’t necessarily have to be speaking to Lelouch though that, but simply to the dead. Not “dead,” but dead.
I hope your puny minds will be able to comprehend that.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Lelouch is dead.
http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/10/lelouch-is-dead-unless-proven-otherwise/
Sad as I am to say that he is … it doesn’t bode well for us guys.
October 10th, 2008 at 5:01 am
This is not really a proof . If we want a really proof , waits the list book of code geass character.
It will be write who are death or not
October 10th, 2008 at 10:50 am
We still don’t know C.C.’s true name, that’s enough to prove that there has to be an OVA or something like that. But would that make sense if Lelouche is dead? I don’t thinks so!
ALL HAIL LELOUCHE!!!!!!!
October 10th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Believe what you believe.
=]
October 11th, 2008 at 5:13 am
Lelouch is alive, stop denying it. There’s too much proof that is alive now.
October 11th, 2008 at 10:03 am
I will post the same rant here that I post everywhere else. @_@ This is getting exhausting…
I love Code Geass.
I love the fuck out of Lelouch.
If he were real, would definitely rape him.
However.
Lelouch Lamperouge died at the hands of Suzaku.
There’s no question about that.
There is a also indeed a possibility that he had inherited Charles’ Code and became immortal when he died.
There’s no question about that either.
Clamp did this on purpose, to make us quarrel with each other and become die-hard one way or the other, and we all know it. (It’s also an excellent marketing technique to keep interest in the series after the finale.)
I will be the first to proclaim that I am in the ‘Lelouch is dead’ party, for numerous reasons that I will address later. However, I can also acknowledge that even though there is no solid cannon evidence, the points presented which support that he is alive are valid. I can debunk or at least nullify them all, but they do at least hold some weight in argument.
To everyone who believes he’s alive? That’s great! I respect that. I respect your rationale. I disagree with you. I believe you’re wrong. I can even try to convince you to change your beliefs. However, if you don’t, I can certainly accept where you stand on the issue.
We can agree to disagree.
That’s called healthy debate.
However, the fact has blatantly presented itself that the majority of the online Code Geass community cannot grasp this simple concept.
This is where fandoms of every sort get excruciatingly annoying; the nature that “My opinion is absolute truth and yours is completely null and void.”
No, no, m’dear. That conclusion can only be met if there is absolute solid cannon evidence that can be identified.
Which brings me to my first point:
Everything that supports Lelouch being alive is pure SPECULATION based on subtle, unstable possibilities.
For the love of God
**STOP SAYING THAT HE’S ALIVE AS THOUGH IT WERE CANNON**.
Unless or until CLAMP themselves release official definitive evidence otherwise, please form your statements in the manner of “It’s possible that…” or “I think that…” as opposed to “LELOUCH IS ALIVE!!!1″
It’s quite possible that you are MIS-INFORMING people.
What is cannon and what is speculation? My second point:
Lelouch was impaled through the lower chest/ upper stomach with a sword. He bled out and died with Nunnally by his side.
*Lelouch Lamperouge died. That is cannon.
It is POSSIBLE that Lelouch inherited his father’s Code and became immortal after he died. Through the vague, speculatory, sketchy details that CLAMP gave us to support this theory, we can decide to believe that Lelouch is alive. Animes have provided less clues and done stranger things before. This is, indeed, a POSSIBILTY. (Though I believe it to be a very minimal one.)
*Lelouch Lamperouge MAY now be immortal. That is speculation.
Do you see the difference between what is KNOWN and what is THOUGHT?
Please do not hold rumours as cannon.
The ending for Code Geass was pure theatrical genius.
Actually, I can honestly, really say that I’ve never seen better in my life. And I’ve watched anime for a long time. I’ve never felt such an amazing mix of grief, joy, well-being, and inspiration grouped together in such a profound way after watching the end of a series -ANY kind of series. Ever. And I am a critic; there is always something that could be done better. But this? No….I cannot find anything. Anything.
Masterfully done.
(In addition to logic) I guess that’s why I choose to believe Lelouch is dead. His death was absolutely integral to the effectiveness of the ending. I love the shit out of the guy, but good Lord…why the hell would anyone want to try to ruin an ending like that? Why would anyone even want to mess with it?
As a general rule, fans of an anime are unsatisfied at least to some degree with its ending. It’s certainly true of Trigun. But I have yet to meet a single person say that they’ve disliked the ending of code Geass. Most of them, like me, thought it was fantastic.
With the exception of some of those in the ‘Lelouch is Alive’ posse.
Again, it is fine for you to speculate. It is fine for you to believe something that you think is implied. But DON’T try to make something that isn’t cannon be cannon.
Seriously. It’s like finding an impossibly beautiful flower and watching people come by to sprinkle the herbicide of selfishness all over it.
Pah, but I’ve ranted enough now on the selfishness of people.
Now onto the part of my rant that is an obligatory section for any self-respecting Code Geass fan:
Evidence to support that Lelouch is dead and Debunks for claims that he’s alive
(Half ripped from another source since I’m far too lazy to redundantly type it all myself)
Speeches and Eye-darkening: All main or supporting characters that have 100% died had some short death speeches and had their eyes blackened or something. That happened with Shirley, Euphemia, and Rolo.
=== That happened with Lelouch as well.
-Greif: Suzaku cried when Lelouch died, as well as C.C., who was crying and praying in a church.
===Why would Suzaku be crying if he knew that Lelouch was going to live? C.C. wouldn’t be crying in a church and praying while Lelouch was being killed if she knew he was going to be immortal. While it IS possible that if Lelouch was immortal, he may not have told Suzaku, C.C. would have definitely known.
-Joy: Jeremiah smiled as Suzaku jumped over his shoulder to kill Lelouch.
===Of COURSE Jeremiah, one of Lelouch’s most loyal followers, would have logically smiled at this point; he knew that Suzaku was carrying out the final step in Lelouch’s master plan, Zero Requiem -what Lelouch wanted. C.C. and Suzaku are the top 2 accomplices to Lelouch’s plans, so the claims that explain Jeremiah’s smiling as being that he knew something about Lelouch’s immortality while these two didn’t are completely irrational.
-’Eh, Lelouch?’: Ah, the famous foundation from which all ‘Lelouch is alive’ claims are based on. C.C. disagrees, while addressing to Lelouch, that those with the power of the king become isolated.
=== She is talking to the dead. C.C. is known to literally speak to the dead via telepathy, most prominently, Marianne, who’s conversations with C.C. are fully scripted out in the Nintendo DS game. C.C. is simply doing the same with Lelouch. In regards to Lelouch’s not being ‘alone,’ we can imply that she’s refering to the time that Lelouch was alive, he wasn’t technically alone because he had her, his best friend, his sister, the student council and the Black Knights. OR we could simply imply that he’s not alone because she’s able to speak with him via her telepathy.
-Code Transference: There was no actual evidence that Lelouch got his father’s code. There’s no reason for Charles to give him the code in the first place. Just because Charles grabbed Lelouch by the throat with the hand that bore his Code’s insignia doesn’t mean that it was transferred.
=== Come on, if he really got it from his dad, we would’ve figured it out before Turn 25, right? Lelouch or C.C. should have realized it. Besides, the nature of the Code transfer wasn’t ever explained.
However, there is a hint at it when Charles attempts to take away C.C.’s code, and it doesn’t involve touching her Code’s insignia -Charles simply leans C.C. back and C.C. places her hand on his chest. (Remember, the insignia is on her forehead.)
-Punishment: After Suzaku impales Lelouch and he’s giving his little monologue, he mentions to Suzaku that “This is punishment for you too”.
===You too. Implying that Lelouch himself is also receiving a punishment; I’m pretty sure a happy eternity with C.C. is not punishment.
-C.C. is happy at the end: The reason why C.C. was happy can’t only be because she’s with Lelouch now. That’s a fan’s simple thought.
=== There are LOTS of reasons for C.C. to have been at the end. She met a man like Lelouch and she can now live like a human. It could also be because Lelouch accompanies her through spirit, since she talks to him. She had been crying over Lelouch’s tragic fate at the church, but now she has got over it and happy that Lelouch was able to rest in peace.
Have you ever lost someone close to you? There is intense sadness in the beginning, but you don’t mourn over it forever. You realize that they are at peace, and you begin to focus on all the good times you had with them, and how incredibly lucky you are to have been able to know them.
(Random topic divergence, quoth Stevie Winwood, ‘The finer things keep shining through the way my soul gets lost in you.’;)
- R2: The idea of R2 referring to Lelouch (R.R.) is a little suspicious.
=== The Japanese may slip up some Engrish here and there, but they are by no means illiterate. They would have made it L2 if they were referring to Lelouch as becoming some sort of…’L.L.’ Particularly since they do spell his name ‘Lelouch’ and not ‘Rerouch’. (He is Britannian after all, not Japanese).
- Lelouch’s memories: A lot in the ‘Lelouch is alive’ posse claim that Nunnally’s experiencing Lelouch’s memories when she touched his hand is a sign of Lelouch having a Code; that only Code-bearers can do this, like C.C. did.
===Actually, there are a LOT of visual differences between what Nunnally experienced when she touched Lelouch’s hand and what Lelouch and Suzaku experienced with C.C.’s memory transfer. First, in C.C.’s case there is the sequence where everything is bleached out, then there is the fact that in C.C.’s case, the recipient is metaphysically transferred into her thoughts as if he were there…they are also naked. :] This was not the case with Nunnally.
Nunnally has also historically been able to touch peoples’ hands and tell things about them -if they’re lying, who they are, etc. Make no mistake about it, Nunnally definitely has some fleck of a mind-reading power, be it a geass or not. Granted, we have never been shown the stream of thoughts/ memories she receives when reading those people like she did with Lelouch. But I don’t think that’s of any importance -it’s important that we see that she sees his memories.
The similarities between C.C.’s consciousness-merge and….whatever Nunnally was shown to have experienced are irrelevant. I think that showing flashy, chaotic scenes like that is just the way the producers chose to illustrate the transfer of vast amounts of memories. Look at it this way -how else could they show all that information being transferred in a matter of seconds? =x
October 11th, 2008 at 10:10 am
xD Whraghah! Long post is long!
October 11th, 2008 at 11:27 am
haha
too long
that’s good
i try to wait sunrise for give up answer.
i thing everybody have personal opinion
and i believe what i believe
October 11th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Here will be Sunrise’s quick reply to our pleading for conclusion: _|_ Haha suckers read the slow as hell manga!
October 11th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Why would there be clues that he’s alive if he wasn’t? Someone wouldn’t give clues for nothing, now would they?
Some theorys that he is dead are even more suspicious than the hints that were give to let everyone guess that he’s still alive.
October 12th, 2008 at 5:19 am
xD What theory that he’s dead is more suspicious than the ones that he’s alive?
Why would they give clues that he’s dead if he wasn’t? e_e
Of course they would give clues that he’s alive if he isn’t. Animes intentionally give out useless clues ALL the time. This is not an unusual -or new- circumstance in anime at all.
October 12th, 2008 at 7:27 am
Well give me a few theorys which show that he “might be” death and I’ll tell you!
And I don’t really think that Code Geass is the kind of Anime which would give “useless” clues and
it wouldn’t make sense if the producer would give these “useless clues” if they are important for wether Leloche is alive or not, when there is no clear proof of neither of them.
October 12th, 2008 at 8:30 am
(For the sake of the lolz, I’ll completely skip the fact that I JUST posted an entire roster of theories.)
Why…would I even need to give you a few theories? Since you’re certain that there are ‘Lelouch-is-dead’ theories that are more suspicious than ‘Lelouch-is-alive’ theories, you’ve obviously already got them in your head or else you wouldn’t be able to claim that.. o.O
Heh…you don’t really think CG is an anime that would give out false clues, huh? xDD
What of Nunnally appearing to be ’shot’ in the first season? (While it’s completely incomprehensible why she’d be there..)
It makes completely perfect sense for the producer to feed us false hope -it’s an excellent marketing technique.
October 12th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Hahaha! Good LORD in Heaven! ALL of the pre-orders for the first volume of R2 were sold out. Bandai announced that it’s sales for this volume were ***140% higher*** than the first shipment for the original Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion’s first volume.
A 140% excellent marketing technique indeed!
Anyway, now all we can do is sit back and wait for the first round of DVD’s to be delivered to peoples’ homes and for them