Code Geass R2 - 25: So is Lelouch dead or not?
Now, I didn’t originally think of this, but it made a lot of sense to me when I pieced the puzzle together with the help of /a/nons’ perceptions.
My take is that Lelouch is alive.
The most obvious reason would be CC calling to Lelouch in the closing scene of the episode. As we can assume CC to be still sane, she must be talking to someone, and that someone would most probably be the driver of the cart: Lelouch would have to be alive.
Second, however, and this is where the others have thought things through, Lelouch is alive because he got his dad’s code. He beckoned the World of C to lend him its powers, and he took Charles’s code before Charles passed on. The reason why Lelouch still has his Geass is because he didn’t take the Code from the same person who gave him his Geass: he took his Geass from CC, and he took his Code from Charles. Thus, he now possesses both immortality and a Geass. This is also a reason that the title is Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion.
To further corroborate this, however, remember that when Nunnally held Lelouch’s hand he transferred his memories to her. CC also did it when Lelouch touched her accidentally back then, so it could be assumed that people with Codes are indeliberate telepaths. This leaves us with both immortals traversing the world for the rest of eternity.
It’s a great end, friends. 
P.S. Ending line of CC translated by bibi: “Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you… well, I guess thats a little wrong… eh, Lelouch”
P.P.S. Additional evidence, courtesy of `Nergal and 4chan:
1. Charles grabbed Lelouch with his right hand, which had the Geass sigil.
2. Lelouch needed the fully evolved Geass to transfer a code.
3. The code doesn’t appear to activate until someone dies. Hence, why C.C. was wounded when she first inherited her code. Same happened with Charles in the World of C.
4. When Lelouch touched Nunnally, Nunnally got a flash of his memories. This ONLY happens when a high potential Geass user touches someone with the fully evolved Geass.
5. The title of the series is “R2″, which is similar to how “C.C” is pronounced. So Lelouch would be “R.R.” which is Engrish (I presume) for L.L., Lelouch Lamprouge.
6. When C.C. is talking on the wagon, she says “the power of Geass brings loneliness…that’s not quite right is it, Lelouch?” and nods her head in the direction of the wagon driver.
P.P.P.S More evidence, courtesy of an intelligent anon from 4chan:
Orange knew of Lelouche’s and Suzaku’s plan and helped them out by ordering his men not to fire on Zero, he even smiled when Zerozaku jumped on his shoulder.
Now would Orange, a man who devoted himself entirely to Lelouche and threw away everything without a second thought be OK with a plan where the sole person he wants to protect in life is actually killed? The answer to that is NO, not even if Lelouche ordered him to accept the plan: he would not go along with it and would protect him with his life. There is only one way that Orange would be OK with a plan like that and thats if he knew about Lelouche’s immortality, which I assume he did as he worked with V.V. in the Geass research base. Orange was OK with this plan as he knew Lelouche would come to no harm and would be able to start a new peaceful life with the woman he loves in a world which he himself had made peaceful.
Even at the end, we see Orange on his orange plantation, completely content with the way things have panned out, he definitely could not be that happy had Lelouche actually died.
There it is, firm evidence of Lelouche’s immortality if the scene with C.C. and the cart driver wasn’t painfully obvious enough.
(I corrected a few spelling errors and run-ons, but preserved the original thought. It’s also quite convincing, if you ask me.)
Tags: Anime, Code Geass, reflections
September 28th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Lelouch is dead.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Agreed. But anyway, the subs will clarify everything imo.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
First stage is denial.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
LELOUCHE IS DEAD, ALL HAIL ZEROZAKU.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Kaze : PROVE IT !
September 28th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
I’m not even pulling things out of my ass. He lives, and the plot corroborates this. Urkh.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
I agree with you but Sunrise is full of dirty niggers for not making it more clear. FUCK YOU FAGGOTS, SHIT SUCKS.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Post updated.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
CC’s last sentence is one more proof that he’s alive, yeah.
September 28th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
C.C.’s words in the end translated: “Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you… well, I guess thats a little wrong… eh, Lelouch”
September 28th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Someone’s lurking on /a/.
I think Lulu is dead, much as it pains me ;_;
September 28th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
bibi: chigatteita
September 28th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
“..powers, and he took Charles’s code before Charles passed on…”
When did this happen? I think it was not explicit that Charles’ code passed to Lelouch; nor did I observe the geass symbol (which supposedly is the symbol of immortality) appearing on Lelouch’s palm.
September 28th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Simply amazing!
September 28th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Yes, it’s awesome.
September 28th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Lelouche took a penis to the heart. Sadly, he didn’t survive. And Suzaku got his sick kicks off.
I AM CONTENT.
September 28th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
I’ve always wanted to say this. This is aimed at a few people.
People claim that us /a/ssholes don’t pay attention to Geass and can only spam FABULOUS FABULOUS HOMOLUST SPINZAKU ORANGE-KUN. That and we’re internet trolls who love hacking people’s accounts and whatever. No, that’s /b/ you bloody fanatical idiot and learn your memes for god’s sake for discussing them. You look like Fox News.
We’re doing far better than whatever is currently happening in a certain Anime forum. Though that’s hardly hard to achieve.
September 28th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
I think Lelouch is alive too!!
When Mao dies, C.C. never see him again… Marianne was alive and for that she can talk with her too… and, if C.C. is talking with Lelouch is ’cause HE IS ALIVE!! x3
September 28th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
“5. The title of the series is “R2″, which is similar to how “C.C” is pronounced. So Lelouch would be “R.R.” which is Engrish (I presume) for L.L., Lelouch Lamprouge.”
So, If that’s right, the name of C.C. is Elizabeth overall, ne?:
C.C. = Sissy –> Some people calls Sissy to woman called Elizabeth =P
If all is pronuntiation, this explains R2 = R.R. –> L.L. in english = Lelouch Lamperouge
September 28th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Look this image x3!!
http://i34.tinypic.com/rr1bpx.jpg
We’re happy now!! xD
September 28th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
wth is he alive i say yea
September 28th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
I think he is alive.
A thing on the code transfer - did you notice that the geass first worked on Charles and when he died his code activated? The same with CC - there was blood on the floor and she had to die (bleed out, there was a big pool of blood) to activate the code.
So to get the code fully, you have to die - just what Lulu did. He Geassed people who are responsible for his body beforehand.
Next - why did Suzaku and CC cry? Tears of joy - we just think they are crying for Lulu. They know about his code (Suzaku maybe not…).
ANOTHER THEORY is that Charles gave CC his code before he vanished and CC gave Lulu the code later…
I’ll stop here.
September 28th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Sorry, didn’t see point 3.
September 28th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
so we need to wait for the real anwser?
September 28th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Lulu is dead.. sorry.. people love him so much.. they make theories that make almost no sense so he can be alive.. its almost like Elvis.. I wish he was alive too… we can only wait until the Directors final statement I guess..
September 28th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
BOB:
Um, I don’t think I don’t make any sense. I created those theories from context, and corroborated them with other people. They’re quite sensible in the Geass universe; I’m sure I didn’t pull it from my ass. You have to die for the Code to activate.
September 28th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
anyone cry at the end?
September 28th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
All people who says that Lelouch died is for all that people doesn’t understand the end, sorry guys, but he is totally alive =P
September 28th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Long live Lelouch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 28th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Lelouch:
I for one didn’t because I was so happy. Even then I believed and understood that Lelouch lived and was with CC, so I was smiles and cheers.
September 28th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
i agree yea in my heart………………of anime…………..
September 28th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
i think he is alive. he must be, he is the man, who creates miracles right
and c.c is happy too, so lulu must be alive, cause lulu has a promise with c.c (c.c’ wish).
so in my opininon, two immortal gone their ways together. this is best ed.
well this theory true or not, who cares ? ill believe what i want
greetings from istanbul.
September 28th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
How about this one…
http://cdimg2.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/09282008/e/a/0/2/ea0255f3f37670_full.gif
someone told me that it’ll show in OVA names “C.C.’s wish”
September 28th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
i think luluoch is the guy driving the horse with C.C at the end, just as cc says right lulouch at the end she raises her head higher a bit and says the last phrase louder.
September 28th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Shit,i now want an OVA or some sort so badly.
September 28th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Also some further evidence is when Lelouch orders Charles to kill himself. Maybe that’s when Charles’s code activates that he got from V.V. Also to people saying that taking a Code from someone kills that individual, V.V. died later(at least from what I remember and not just automatically when Charles took his code). However the main question is why did Charles give Lelouch his code? It’s pretty much a given that Lelouch survived(IMO) but who gave him his Code?
September 28th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
sunrise did a great job
if you want him to die, he died
if you want him to live, he still lives
it depends on the fans
so at the same time there is a chance for a third season and on the other hand there isnt
great ending, great anime, all in all, EPIC
September 28th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Here’s an idea: Maybe you can’t “give” the code and it just gets transfered if the code tatoo thingy touches a person whose geass is developed enough. Would sort of account for how C.C. wasn’t able to “reject” the code when the nun gave it to her.
September 28th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
[Hachichan Says:
September 28th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
How about this one…
http://cdimg2.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/09282008/e/a/0/2/ea0255f3f37670_full.gif
someone told me that it’ll show in OVA names “C.C.’s wish"]
Amazing great!!!! *-*
LUV that animationnnnnn!!!! xD
September 28th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
here is one more possibility, remember the time when Sayoko became lelouch when he was at china fighting a war. Lelouch could have done the same thing by use his geass forcing someone to do it for him…
September 28th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Oh, it was the same picture I posted in my most recent post!
I have another picture - see for yourself: http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-25-for-fans-of-the-cc-and-lelouch-pair-like-me/
September 28th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
IF lelouch is dead, then there is ONE big question: WHY did nunnally recieve images when she touched lelouch? tell me the answer to that, and explain with something other than lelouch having the code, and then i will agree that he is dead.
for now, we do not know who gave lelouch the code, or if suzaku knows, or if it was lelouch with c.c. in the end. but, it was indeed a little bit wtf when charles grabbed lelouch with his code-hand. i agree with everything written in this post (not the comments but the real post).
September 28th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
If Charles DID intentionaly transfer his code to Lelouch then I’m guessing it was either an act of “live forever and suffer” or “sorry for being a bad dad, here, have immortality”. lol
September 28th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
*sob* hes dead but, il denie it to th end! ALL HAIL LELOUCH!
September 28th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
anon:
I think it’s more of the ‘live forever and suffer.’ Charles isn’t really known for niceness.
KuMo:
Exactly. That pretty much sealed the deal for me.
September 28th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Great theories.
The clincher is probably the memories-transferring-to-Nunnally one. That’s an internal anime rule that has stayed pretty consistent so far. Only immortals can transfer memories.
September 29th, 2008 at 12:40 am
I think you hit the nail on its head! That’s what made the ending the best ending it could have. Thank you very much, you’ve made my day!
September 29th, 2008 at 12:41 am
[...] UPDATE: Code Geass R2’s ending isn’t as simple as it might seem. Going with the unpredictability of Code Geass and that it’s a Sunrise/Gonzo production. There’s probably more to it: http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-25-so-is-lelouch-dead-or-not/ [...]
September 29th, 2008 at 12:43 am
HE’S DEAD.
DEAD
DEAD
DEAD
And that ending line, she stated how geass can be used to bring people together and ask Lelouch if he agrees.
Who also died earlier?
SHIRLEY.
In the end those two lovers were reunited.
September 29th, 2008 at 12:51 am
Lelouch is alive. Anyone who says otherwise hasn’t paid much attention throughout the show. Well, kudos to to lelouch for literally destroying and recreating the world not in his image, but according to the will of the people.
The result? He gets to live carefree while suzaku is stuck behind that stupid mask having to sneak around all day to hide his secret identity. Folks, lelouch got the good deal here, carefree life with C.C. the hot babe while Suzaku aka Zero is the caretaker of Nunnally. No wonder Lelouch said sorry to Suzaku. Lol. But it’s kinda mean to nunnally though, he should seek her out one day but hey, HERE’s something for everyone to ponder. IF lelouch know before hand that he’s not going to ‘die’, then shouldn’t nunnally know about it through memory transfer? Or perhaps it was just limited memory transfer. Hmhm.
September 29th, 2008 at 12:57 am
The wagon driver have black hair:
http://www.duose.com/p/2008/0928/78274_203125.jpg
xD
September 29th, 2008 at 1:09 am
Anarel, you’re awesome.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:12 am
If you have watched Code Geass completely and understand it to its fullest then you know that Lelouch is alive. Whether you like him or hate him, all the proof is given. The fact that C.C. calls his name in the end is all the more proof.
Some people analyze it too much and say she was just talking to him to herself, but that’s not the case if you notice the many other hints.
Also, the producers said a while back that both Lelouch and Suzaku had a happy ending.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:13 am
Seems pretty obvious that hes still alive. They also focus in on the origami at the end. Remember Nunally taught Lelouch to make the crane in season 1? So unless we’re supposed to think C.C. took it up in her spare time.
Anyways they’ll leave the possiblity open that hes still alive if they think theres any chance of still making more money off Code Geass.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:20 am
And there is something else… Why didn’t they show the face of a driver? They could show some oldman as a driver or someone else, but they didn’t show him. So we have another clue to our riddle
September 29th, 2008 at 1:27 am
Aguchan : Yeah. It’s pretty obvious the writers wanted to make the viewers wondering about this masked driver until the last second (when CC calls Lelouch’s name).
September 29th, 2008 at 1:27 am
[Anonymous Says:
September 29th, 2008 at 12:43 am
Who also died earlier?
SHIRLEY.
In the end those two lovers were reunited. ]
Hey man, who cares Shirley?? T__T
Please, the end was totally LxC and Lelouch is A-L-I-V-E!!!
People really can’t understand what Geass is…
September 29th, 2008 at 1:30 am
[Nergal Says:
September 29th, 2008 at 1:27 am
Aguchan : Yeah. It’s pretty obvious the writers wanted to make the viewers wondering about this masked driver until the last second (when CC calls Lelouch’s name).]
Totally obvious… please, this end is great, and for understand it we have to see twice the last scene and know what Geass is =P
Pretty cool!! Lulu is alive ^^
September 29th, 2008 at 1:30 am
I’m about 50/50 on this issue…and the episode as a whole, to be honest. o_O
I’d like him to be alive and with C.C. but the more I think about it, the more I tend to think it’s too ambiguous to make the call.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:36 am
[IF lelouch know before hand that he’s not going to ‘die’, then shouldn’t nunnally know about it through memory transfer? Or perhaps it was just limited memory transfer. Hmhm.]
@Loba: I think Nunnally is sad because she can’t spend the days with him anymore. I mean, ok he’s alive (I believe it!) but Nunnally can’t see or talk to him anymore. That’s something like he’s dead.
Sorry for my bad english, can’t explain it ..
September 29th, 2008 at 1:48 am
Didnt Marian had some kind of Geass to transfer from one person to another (before she died when V.V killed her). What if??
September 29th, 2008 at 2:04 am
I was originally thinking of Lulu somehow being in the world of C and C.C. can communicate wiht that world like shes talking in her imagination like she did with Marianne the whole anime till she died
September 29th, 2008 at 2:08 am
Loluch is alive thats what i thin and the most ppl
September 29th, 2008 at 2:11 am
after i finished the episode i had a strong feeling that he’s alive [could highly be the drive], then i came here, and LOL, DAMN you guys analyzied it so much xD now the feeling is stronger than ever.
And it seems like Kalen also realized/guessed/found out, that what Lelouch was trying to acheive through all this at the very end when Zero [suzaku] came out.
MAN! I would HATE to fight a war against Lelouch, hahaha, screw that!
September 29th, 2008 at 2:22 am
orange isn’t a teenage
i don’t think that orange wouldn’t have gone with the plan if he knew Lelouch was going to die
because of his loyalty he would’ve accepted that his decision and be happy for him that he was able to complete his plan succesfully
September 29th, 2008 at 2:23 am
Damn, that’s pretty fucking convincing man. We’ll see in time. I’d love for Lelouch to be alive though, not sure if this will/can lead to R3 but I sort of hope so.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:39 am
Btw, in episode 24, lulu ordered schniezel to serve ‘zero’ specifically, which we can see him in episode 25. which means, lulu is still alive!
September 29th, 2008 at 2:46 am
Dont forget the pink crane at the end that nunnally taught lelouch how to make.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:53 am
The driver is Craft Lawrence.
/sarcasm
September 29th, 2008 at 2:53 am
[...] question, at least for now, is whether or not Lelouch really died at the end. There is speculation that Lelouch was actually the man driving the cart C.C. was riding at the end. I guess [...]
September 29th, 2008 at 3:03 am
C.C. = Sissy –> Some people calls Sissy to woman called Elizabeth =P
Well FYI they dont say it sissy instead shitsu
September 29th, 2008 at 3:08 am
thats swat i’m talking about
just plain obvious
oh…did you mention why the hell C.C. would carry Nunally’s origami
or that Suzaku’s death was also faked?
September 29th, 2008 at 3:09 am
C2 = CxC = C.C. = Sissy = Elizabeth = antother game of Sunrise…
September 29th, 2008 at 3:10 am
NOW LELOUCH IS DEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.
This is because I do not want an R3. Unless it’s fuckin’ AU with Lelouch/C.C’s daughter.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:12 am
I think its open to interpretation, much like Shadow Of Colossus’ ending.
If you want him to be dead, you can justify it.
If you don’t, you can as well.
Until the directors say anything, it’s not true.
Some other helpful things, though:
1- The crane symbolizes long life. IE- Immortality. It fits in with CC.
2- Remember the DeathNote OVA? How Ryuuk says “Isn’t that right, Light?” or whatever? Well, you can talk to someone who’s passed away like that. But its also open to speculation that light was the shinigami. Same thing applies here.
Ultimately, I think they did a great job with the ending.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:18 am
on a side note ppl origami represents c.c’s wish
and c.c was taught to make origami when nunnaly was making 1 in season 1 so c.c’s wish
indirect point of lulu alive
September 29th, 2008 at 3:18 am
I think he is alive……………………….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 29th, 2008 at 3:19 am
this episode is great , i cried much for lulu , well i was like he cant be dead. but the way they talked so i was like okie .. he is dead .. but thanks to this now i am SSURE he is alive , this is pretty amazing analysing good job. <3
September 29th, 2008 at 3:22 am
Great thinking.
This ONLY happens when a high potential Geass user touches someone with the fully evolved Geass.
This statement is sort of incorrect, as CC has saved lelouch by imposing memories on Suzaku during the cornelia led battle at that volcano or whatever mountain they were holding during the first season. Suzaku went berserk as a result. THough that might be another of her abilities.
What bugs me sort of is the kind of sword suzaku uses to kill him, looks more like some relic than a normal sword. Any thoughts?
September 29th, 2008 at 3:30 am
I think that Lelouch is alive beacuse C.C. called his name andd beacuse of the whole immortal code thing but something that got me pissed off is that we never got to learn CC’s true name.
But anyway this episode was really really sad =(
September 29th, 2008 at 3:39 am
code geass wouldn’t be code geass if they have to show a boring happy ever after story. it makes us think if he’s dead or alive. it wants us to keep on guessing even if the series has ended. but at least it gives us hope that he is. i can feel it in my bones that he’s alive hehe
September 29th, 2008 at 3:40 am
NANNARIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Suddenly
Stairs!
EVERYWHERE!
September 29th, 2008 at 3:50 am
lelouch is alive. duh. but the third season won’t be code geass: lelouch of the rebellion r3. it will be code geass: something or other to be filled in later, since lelouch is no longer rebelling.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:54 am
It looked like CC’s forehead tattoo was gone too. And she did seem pretty happy. Maybe Lelouch took her code, and now she’s going to live out a normal life while he gets to see this happy world he’s created?
September 29th, 2008 at 3:54 am
If i may point out. do you notice how schniezals(sp?) eyes still have a red tinge in the clip with suzaku/zero and him on the right…shouldnt the geass affect have died along with the user.
MORE EVIDENCE
September 29th, 2008 at 3:56 am
mm the eyes appeard red for schniezil after lulu died ? i didnt see that
September 29th, 2008 at 3:57 am
When Nullanly was seeing all of Lelouch’s memory’s, there was one that stood out quite a lot and that was Charles code flying at Lelouch. So that’s something that could help meaning that he did get it.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:09 am
Hi, i google around and found your blog’s post.
I would agree to your statement, that Lelounch has acquire Geass + Code which made him immortality just like his Dad.
I felt that, this series shall continue but .. they is no story continue about at all.
I, personally very in love with political and war.. like this unique anime~
Code Geass ftw~
September 29th, 2008 at 4:12 am
would like to confirm something from you guys … when Lulu geassed Charles, did the red outline appeared?
if it did, then that could be a possible proof that Lulu is still alive and the theory that one has to die for the code to be activate . . .
September 29th, 2008 at 4:16 am
“If i may point out. do you notice how schniezals(sp?) eyes still have a red tinge in the clip with suzaku/zero and him on the right…shouldnt the geass affect have died along with the user.
MORE EVIDENCE :)”
no not really when vv (or was it charles i for gto :p) died nullanly was still blind and cripple…
but lelouch is alive ppl only immortals can transfer memories
but if he did die cc could have been talking to lelouch in the world of c
WELL ITS UP TO THE PRODUCERS AND THIER FINAL STATEMENTS!!!!
September 29th, 2008 at 4:18 am
(sry for the double post) bside an ova the series shoudnt contine or it will DESTROY THE FEELING OF THE STROIES EPIC-NESS
if they are then it should be a whole new story and just incoperate the geass in it
September 29th, 2008 at 4:21 am
lelouch is dead. get over it.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:31 am
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September 29th, 2008 at 4:34 am
NOOOO! Lelouch isn’t dead! you know why? cuz i said so…no jk i think theres pretty much all the evidence above that says hes alive. he must have taken the code and now he can live on forever and ever.
oh yeah my brother jakethesnake3713 says that Jeremiah has now found the wonderful world of pedophilia
September 29th, 2008 at 4:34 am
I too think Lelouch is alive. The thing that stuck with me, is the memory transfer. C.C. did it to Suzaku and she specifically stated she showed him some shock imagery from her past, from what I remember at least. This implies that they do have some control over what memories they show people. Next, Schneizel’s Geass rings didn’t disappear. He’s still serving Zero/Suzaku at the end of episode 25. Then there’s the fact that C.C. speaks up as she adresses Lelouch. Conversely you could say that she’s speaking to him in the world of C but meh. I say he’s alive.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:34 am
Lelouch is still alive. He has Charles’ Code which he received when the man choked him. The Code activates first when you die, which happened. And before you say can’t have Code and a Geass at the same time, the Code wasn’t the one C.C. had, meaning that Lelouch was the first one to achieve Code Geass. He’s now travelling the country-side with C.C., living as immortals.
That’s the only reason for C.C. to be suddenly so happy again. Also, before you say that C.C. was just talking to the dead like with Marianne, that’s not true. She could only talk to her because of the nature of her Geass which allowed her to implant herself into the “hearts” of others. That’s how she was able to talk with Marianne. Lelouch’s Geass was entirely different, meaning that she could only have spoken to him if he was there.
Also, the screenie of the cart driver who is masking his features competely supports this.
What further supports this is that Nunnally got Lelouch’s memories when she touched her, just like Lelouch did when he touched C.C. back in Narita. The only way this could have happened is his Code activating. This pretty much confirms that he has the Code and is alive.
C.C.’s words in the end translated: “Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you… well, I guess thats a little wrong… eh, Lelouch”
So HE LIVES
Then he 100% alive
September 29th, 2008 at 4:44 am
“Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you… well, I guess that’s a little wrong… eh, Lelouch?”
I imagine CC said this was “a little wrong” because, after all, she and Lelouch are together, arent they? That sneaky couple…
Thank you for this post! It makes a whole lot of sense and I am fully convinced. Now I can happily wait for doujinshi and fanfiction/fanart.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:46 am
Please don’t cheapen his death. His death was the death of a true hero, sacrificing yourself for the greater good.
The only proof you need to explain that he died is the fact that C.C. cried at the church, Suzaku cried for KILLING his friend, and Nunnally cried after receiving the flashes and realizing the plan. Notice how even after learning of the plan through her brother’s thoughts, she cries over the fact that it will become a world WITHOUT him.
If you really want to know about Nunnally’s flashes, Nunnally was originally suppose to be given the power of geass with the ability to read the lines of the future. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunnally_Lamperouge
But due to that fact that the anime was forced into a train wreck everything was cut short as you can notice in the lack of explanations of operation ragnorak and the past, present, and future philosophies.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:47 am
Madara Devile la Darvania ..
you took the words right out of my mind .
September 29th, 2008 at 4:48 am
Nunally only has Geass in the Nightmare of Nunally, which is an uncanon spin off.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:49 am
overall .. this is what I really have to say…
To those who want him to be dead, then let him be dead…
To those who want him to be alive, then let him be alive…
we all have our own interpretation on the ending so lets leave it just as that….
(btw, am one of those people who want him to be alive regardless of the method/theory on how he lived)
September 29th, 2008 at 4:49 am
7. This isn’t strictly relevant, but I find it interesting. In Greek mythology (well, the ‘Bacchae’, at least) Cadmus is a mortal king married to an immortal woman, Harmonia (sometimes Hermione). After a long life of his family screwing stuff up, Dionysus comes and topples his empire and kills his family. Then he says ’sorry for being a dick and stuff’ and gives Cadmus a ‘gift’/'curse’: he and his wife are turned into twin immortal snakes and compelled to roam the Earth in a hay-wain forever. Cadmus is also given mind-control powers. FAMILIAR?
September 29th, 2008 at 4:53 am
These discussions remind me of all the confusion that went down with the whole End of Evangelion ending. Then again, THAT was way more cryptic and confusing than this IMO.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:00 am
@lolololol
The scene looks like Spice and Wolf indeed
Craft Lawrence being the carriage driver.
We all know that Craft Lawrence’s seiyuu was Jun Fukuyama, who lends his voice to Lelouch too.
That’s hell of an irony. Damn producers
September 29th, 2008 at 5:00 am
[...] you know, there’s always the cynics, doubters, etc, etc, and I’m one of [...]
September 29th, 2008 at 5:08 am
“Next - why did Suzaku and CC cry? Tears of joy - we just think they are crying for Lulu. They know about his code (Suzaku maybe not…).”
LOL…dumbest thing i’ve read like ever. If you don’t understand why people cry, you should go watch another anime, this one’s probably too profound that you’re actually making silly interpretations of the simplest of emotions. LMAO tears of joy, classic LMAO you should jump a cliff
i’ll cry for you, and mine would be for joy
As for lelouch, it’s a controversial ending like always. I’m not surprised if he’s dead or alive. There’s no point in guessing it too much…like how all other previous “SPOILERS” were rumored about how Nunally was a secret agent and stuff, mostly plain bull lol. So what i believe is, it’s entirely up to the viewers. It’s like a fate stay night ending …you can feel the good the hero has done and be happy about it or feel sad that he’s dead because of it lol
September 29th, 2008 at 5:14 am
I have 1 doubt, despite the good evidence that Lelouche is alive. Remember those scenes with CC kneeling down at the church altar? Why would she be crying over Lelouche’s “sacrifice” if she knew he was going to survive?
September 29th, 2008 at 5:21 am
CC nods towards the driver in the end, refering him as lelouch.
In Eureka7, the protagonists survived too…
September 29th, 2008 at 5:22 am
Misty: Because he’s condemning himself to her fate. She’s crying because immortality isn’t exactly a good thing to have, as far as she’s concerned. He’s taking the plunge for her and can’t help but feel sad over it.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:25 am
Uh, although I do think Lelouch might be alive…I think when C.C. said “Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you… well, I guess thats a little wrong… eh, Lelouch”, she meant that the Geass didn’t isolate him from society/his close friends since he’s going to be forever remembered by everyone. Also, his friends in the end, didn’t shun him when he “died”, because they all knew that he was doing it for good. All this happened even though he has the Geass; so i’m going to assume thats what C.C. meant when she said “I guess thats a little wrong… eh, Lelouch?”
September 29th, 2008 at 5:31 am
For all of you who’re determined to convince us that Lelouch is dead, why the hell do you guys care what we think? Is it wrong to believe Lelouch is alive when there’s all of this information that suggest he is? or is it perhaps you guys can’t handle the fact that there are people in this world with different opinions as you do?
I think he’s alive, you don’t like that? too bad.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:31 am
I’m not really trying to force my opinions on people. I just don’t want people to misunderstand the Lelouch which the writers have created.
Lets just look at the 2 types of endings people are going for:
Alive - Lelouch does all that as an act, so he can force Susaku to spend the rest of his life under a mask. He instead leaves his adorable sister and runs off living happily ever after with C.C. wow… some hero.
Dead - Lelouch takes responsibility for all his actions. In order to pay for the cruel deeds he has done, he will allow the world to do a cruel deed to him (put himself under the control of Geass).
Please the let hero die a hero instead of making him a irresponsible and selfish boy.
These silly “proofs” are the creation of people that look too deeply into things that have little meaning and ignoring great scenes that the director have shown us like the scene with C.C. in the church.
Ok lets reason on their level then. Their strongest “evidence,” C.C. talking to Lelouch on the hay. Ok lets look at little stupid details. You say she looks back and talks to Lelouch? She was facing the sky at an angle of 55 degrees and moves for head to about an angle of 65 degrees and you call that looking back? thats more of looking at the sky and thinking out loud.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:39 am
eureka 7:
Ah - I hadn’t thought of that. In that case, she would have cried since he’s leaving behind his life (i.e. relationship with Nunnaly, etc) and not because he was choosing immortality (she would’ve already known)
Gii:
I, too would prefer Lelouche to be dead, and that CC can communicate with him through the world of C or whatever. I just feel the immortality cheapens the heroism of his sacrifice/death.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:41 am
Strongest evidence? that made me go lol. And yeah try looking backwards while not moving your head and in that position. Pretty tough job eh?. Sometimes human anatomy fails so hard in anime :))
Anyway go spice and wolf ending…loved it
September 29th, 2008 at 5:46 am
I don’t think you guys get the point…Immortality is far much worse than death.
Sure, now Suzaku and other have to look after the world during their life time.
However, Lelouch and C.C. have the responsibility to look after the world for eternity.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:51 am
55 degrees to 65 degrees?? wtf are you talking about?? its from 60 degrees to 79 degrees…get your fact straight. kthx bye.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:52 am
one possibility is lulu didnt know charles’s code got transfered into him when he died it activated thts why nunnaly able to see his memory and stuff and c.c got her wish too
and Lelouch is the english name real name is Rurushu u can chk it in wiki and geass site so wht the post said abt r2 may be true rurushu=R2
and no need to say ppl foolish to thinnk he is alive/dead whtever u want believe
man they shud make a movie c.c’s wish or sumthing and if they make new season it will be
Lelouch of wandering lol
September 29th, 2008 at 5:52 am
To all ‘Lelouch must die’ people out there, here’s some interesting facts on why Lelouch is alive:
Jeremiah seems pretty happy knowing Zero will kill Lelouch. Suspicious not?
Nunnaly had a ‘memory transfer’ upon touching Lelouch, trait of a Code immortal. Don’t tell me Nunnaly ‘lie detect’ hands now can absorb and read memories of other people too?
C.C’s conversation with Lelouch at the end; it’s either she’s talking to herself (huh? then her lines don’t make sense) or with the cart driver
People keep thinking C.C can talk with the dead but no, she can talk to Marianne because of their Geass connection else she would know whether Nunnaly is dead or not before turn 22
September 29th, 2008 at 5:56 am
Gii: I actually completely disagree that living makes Lelouch a selfish and irresponsible boy. I’m willing to bet most people here who support the idea of him being alive disagree with you as well.
You seem to think that you’re Lelouch’s champion or something, protecting him from us ’silly people’. Why not stop trying to talk down to everyone else like we’re all errant children, and instead approach it like a person truly out to debate? Maybe people won’t think so poorly of you and ignore you.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:57 am
Once Orange-Kun discovered the world of the Pedobears, he instantly forgot his obligations to Lelouch.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:58 am
i agree with all you say! Lelouch its a live it makes all sense! I hope they do a movie or something
n_n
September 29th, 2008 at 6:01 am
Lelouch is dead. End of story. The cart rider is not Lelouch >_> She’s talking to herself/toward the sky like she would when she pretended to talk to Marienne. Also, Nunnally didn’t see his memories per se, but more the feelings he had while he was dying, that is focusing the world’s hate towards him.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Hyoru: I disagree. Nunnally has never shown this ability before, and thus canonly doesn’t have it. There is no reason to believe Nunnally spontaneously gained this ability, either. The only person who has ever been able to do the memory-thing are people with the Code - aka immortal.
And she didn’t pretend to talk to Marianne, she really was talking to her.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:05 am
“LOL…dumbest thing i’ve read like ever. If you don’t understand why people cry, you should go watch another anime, this one’s probably too profound that you’re actually making silly interpretations of the simplest of emotions. LMAO tears of joy, classic LMAO you should jump a cliff
i’ll cry for you, and mine would be for joy”
LOL, THIS is the dumbest thing I’ve read, ever. If you don’t understand that people can also cry tears of happiness, then maybe YOU should jump off a cliff.
I’ll laugh instead.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:07 am
I totally agree with your theory, there are just too many hints towards it, for Lelouch to not be alive would make all those hints towards Lelouch becoming immortal pointless.
Also, even if he did truly die there, we did in a way get a Lelouch x C.C ending, because they were contracted, when the contractee dies he goes to the world of C. Weeeee spending an eternity with Mao competing for C.C’s affection isn’t that fun?
It’s one of those theories without a doubt, I’m content with both, but I personally prefer the first.
R.R X C.C WH00PIE!
September 29th, 2008 at 6:12 am
obviously Lelouch is dead
i mean, orange-kun is now so devoted to his loli that he doesnt care lelouch dies or not, zero can stab him anytime of the day and he’d still be smirking
and nanali just know everything about lelouch’s plan and even seen some memories of his thru her newfound powahzz! not coz lelouch’s some immortal with memory transfering ability as seen before in the series
n ya c.c is obviously talkin to herself coz she’s kinda crazy now. i mean she’s all lonely now but says to herself that geass won’t make you lonely and even ask an imaginary lelouch about it
September 29th, 2008 at 6:12 am
something tells me nunally knew that lelouch has to leave forever and not DIE.
because she said “what is tomorrow without you?” Interpret this as nunally knowing lelouch
will never be able to see her again.
In the end, when nunally shook hands with oghi, she looked happy enough. Only 2 month later and shes already empress of the world and smiling? I think not.
kudos to the memory transfer thing, remember how anya, lelouch, and suzako all got memory shocks from CC.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:14 am
Lelouch is alive and somewhere he and C.C. are having mad passionate immortal sex
September 29th, 2008 at 6:15 am
I want to add what has been said one of the forums I’ve read as another proof that Lelouch is alive. The Ragnarok only works with two codes. Ragnarok not working equates to the world’s end. World ending means no tomorrow for everyone which defeats the purpose of the Zero Requiem. I think Lelouch took the code from his father and became the bearer of one of the codes with CC having the other. I mean who else would have it????
September 29th, 2008 at 6:22 am
um Gii , you still have not broken the most damning eveidece for Lulu being alive…
when nunnally touched him there was a memory transfer that ONLY happens to those who have a code.
it also when you think about it explains the name for the series CODE+GEASS
so the C.C. talking on the hay IS NOT our best evidence of L.L. being alive
September 29th, 2008 at 6:25 am
I think it is very clear that Lelouch is alive, especially since Orange-kun is on that plantation smiling. Considering his personality and devotion to Lelouch, it is pretty obvious he would not be behaving that way, even if he was commanded to accept the “peaceful” world LL had gone out to create. And where was CC? Probably on a cart traveling in that same planation. All living happily ever after with Jeremiah, the girl who lost her memories, and, ofcourse, Lelouch.
Also, an additional point. There was an entire story line in that anime involving CC and LL. Lelouch was supposed to free CC as others could never do so in the past. If he just dies and CC remains immortal or unhappy, then Lelouch also failed CC… Would a CC who realizes that be smiling on the back of a cart on that plantation? And when has CC ever spoken to the dead? To her she sees them all as painful memories, not people she can pray to. Also, if Lelouch was dead, he would definitely be isolated.. Not brought together as she suggested at the end. Why would she say what she said if Lelouch was not now together with her and their new family?
And one final point. There is a scene where CC is praying in the church as Lelouch is about to be stabbed by the sword. At first glance, you might think the “punishment” for using Geass was death… However, why would she see that as punishment when she herself had wished to die so badly? Rather, she regarded immortality as a curse… And so the punishment of the Geass is that Lelouch would now be immortal.
Though it is up in the air as to whose code Lelouch might now possess. Charles is a possibility, but then again it might be CC. Just because you lose your code doesn’t mean you die… Though most people would probably kill themselves the moment they lost the code. Perhaps CC is now mortal, Lelouch is immortal, and therein is his punishment. Of course, the happiest ending would be that they are both immortal… And so they can love each other for eternity.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:26 am
And as for Suzaku, most likely he did not know that Lelouch was immortal and only Orange and CC knew it… Or perhaps Lelouch didn’t know it either until after he was impaled by that sword.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:27 am
Given a choice between believing he is dead or alive, I choose to believe ALIVE simply because whether he truly died or faked it does not matter, because his death seems real to almost EVERYONE WHO KNEW HIM. Since there DOES in fact seem to be two options, why wouldn’t Lelouch choose the best one?
Lelouch has died to his friends and family,
but not to me.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:33 am
Well it’s similar to Cowboy Bebop ending, we don’t know if Spike really dies or not. Like Lelouch it also like that.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:34 am
Why do you need to change a perfect end cauz it’s not a fucking “american happy end” ?
Lelouch is oubviously dead, that was the sacrifice he did for the world, and that’s what’s beautifull in that end.
CC speak to leelouch like you speak to dead people when you pray nothing else.
The only reason Nunnaly seen leelouch was that the director thought that would be to cruel than Nunnaly didn’t know the truth.
Leelouch, with his only will and mind destroyed the world and created a new one wich offer a “tomorow” to everyone, end of the story.
ps : scuse me for the bad english
September 29th, 2008 at 6:39 am
[kami Says:
September 28th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
sunrise did a great job
if you want him to die, he died
if you want him to live, he still lives
it depends on the fans
so at the same time there is a chance for a third season and on the other hand there isnt
great ending, great anime, all in all, EPIC]
i agree, but these kind of endings is the best yet the most annoying ones….
if you like this kind of ending, i believe you will like animal farm (a book) and Mx0 and Pretty Face (both are manga) ’s endings
September 29th, 2008 at 6:41 am
Well.. you can take it either way that Lelouch is alive/dead but I think Sunrise killed him off, and I believe he is dead.
Lelouch is dead:
1. Zerosuzaku was crying after piercing the sword through Lelouch. If Lelouch has the code, it wouldn’t be necessary for Suzaku to cry right? I mean, I guess Lelouch could keep a secret that he became immortal but I don’t see how that would make sense because he’ll be breaking the promise he made about the Zero Requiem. Plus, C.C. was also crying at some church because she knew he was going to die.
2. It would defeat the purpose of Lelouch being alive because Zero Requiem was to concentrate all the hate towards him and die, which is his punishment for killing so many people. Staying alive and living happily with C.C. would go against this.
3. Remember Nunnally can tell if someone’s lying or not by holding their hand? She did this with Lelouch and saw the truth and doesn’t mean Lelouch has the code.
4. If Lelouch was really alive I don’t see how it can be R2, it would be L2… I thought R2 stood for Rebellion2 Oo;;
5. When Charles grabbed Lelouch’s neck, which his hand had the Geass sigil, it doesn’t really mean his code went to Lelouch… I mean, that would mean the sigil would be on Lelouch’s neck right? It didn’t show the code transfering to Lelouch before he finished his daddy off and that I don’t think Charles wanted to give Lelouch the code and Lelouch didn’t want to accept it either.
And his favorite line: “Those who can shoot are the ones who are prepared to be shot” or something.. and yes, he was prepared.
4chan:
I can see how it’s hard to let Jeremiah just stand and watch his master get slaughtered but remember… Jeremiah has great loyalty to Lelouch and he knew Lelouch’s wish was to have world peace and that could only be granted by his death and that’s what he wanted.
So here are some questions..
1. WTF is C.C.’s real name?
2. Did C.C. give her code to Suzaku? Because his punishment was to act as Zero *forever*
3. Toudou x Chiba??
As far as I know there’s no 3rd season, but I do hope some of these questions can be answered on the DVD (commentary, picture drama..) drama CD, etc.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:44 am
As far as I recall, C.C. didn’t actually say what Lelouch decided to do as atonement for geassing people “on air”, mind you.
She might have as well cried because he decided on immortality, which she herself already experiences and finds painful.
Well, no matter what, it would seem that they just left it open for interpretation. Or, which would be much more interesting, they left those several clues listed here to make it into a riddle of sorts, which only the brighter viewers could solve, in the end coming to the conclusion that Lelouch is probably alive.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:46 am
About the final line:
If lulu is dead, that means the power of kings will isolate you. However, C.C believes “…thats a little wrong…” = lulu is the first case that has the power of kings and is not alone. =D
I assume “not alone” means you are still alive.
btw, is there an official meaning of R2? I always thought it meant Round Two until I heard R.R today. awsome!
September 29th, 2008 at 6:48 am
Where is sayoko in the ending? No summary or screenshot has her in it.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:49 am
it’s pretty well know that in romanji they do not have L’s i have no idea why as it makes spelling certain things a nightmare
September 29th, 2008 at 6:52 am
omg he is not dead..if he was then cc would be dead to man…but she didnt die that mean he is still alive man
September 29th, 2008 at 6:53 am
Nunnally didn’t see Lelouches memories. If you watch closely that part you can see that she is touching him and nothing happens… When the flashbacks begin its like if Lelouch is remembering everything he went through. She doesn’t see them, if she did see them then she would’ve reacted to them but she didn’t. >.> Stop kidding yourselves. LELOUCH IS DEAD. Geez, deal with it you anime freaks. (No offense).
Besides it would’ve been a crappy ending if he would’ve survived. I hope they don’t make another season and just leave it like that.
PS: English is not my main language so if you see major grammatical errors please point them out.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:53 am
And to further a point I made before, what is the natural progression of a Geass user? CC had the geass of “love me”, while her master was immortal and merely preparing her to take her place the whole time. As she also sinned in twisting the hearts of people against their will, so did Lelouch, and in the end they would share the similar fate of suffering through immortality. Then again, perhaps in the end they found a way out of that “suffering”, and broke the cycle of pain together, just as Lelouch had brought an end to the cycle of violence by his martyrdom.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:54 am
Lelouch IS DEAD u retards the only way he could become immmortal was by killing C.C. Since we see in the last episode that she is alive he is not immortal and is not alive any more SO THERE IS THE EXPLANATION. If u want to Argue you are retarded Bye
September 29th, 2008 at 6:55 am
Jas*
Who said C.C would die if Lelouch died? >.> Don’t be ridiculous.
September 29th, 2008 at 6:55 am
k ill reply to you geass.
1,2. Because lelouch didnt know he have the code , and it only activates when person is about to die like charles and back at c.c’s memories.
3. if he is lying or no , but she cant just see the memories of any person by holding hands? wtf.
4. go wiki , Lelouch is Rurushu in japanese , so thats r.r.
5. we cant prove that point , but u cant disprove it either , and well since charles was being absorbed by c’s world , he should have been like , be immortal and suffer forever? thats kind of person he is.
Lelouch > All
September 29th, 2008 at 6:57 am
um at 19:01 nunally jerks back as the memories hit her she is INDEED seeing lulu memory’s of what the zero requiem is
September 29th, 2008 at 6:59 am
I’m content with knowing that there are people that actually understood the story and the philosophy which Lelouch held. I won’t continue this argument.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:00 am
Interestingly, there was a paper crane on the hay next to C.C., presumably folded by Nunally. It would have been quite absurd for Nunally to give C.C. a paper crane; the crane was probably meant for Lelouch.
Besides, Nunally was shown smiling, with Zerozaku pushing her wheelchair. If Lelouch had indeed died in a heroic self-sacrifice, it will be unlikely that Nunally can recover so quickly from the trauma.