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		<title>By: Godarita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Godarita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lelouche is not dead because ( IF HE DID THE CONTRACT BETWEEN CC AND LULU WAS NOT COMPLETED) AS EVERYBODY KNOWS ,WHEN LELOUCHE DIES C.C DIES WITH HIM :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lelouche is not dead because ( IF HE DID THE CONTRACT BETWEEN CC AND LULU WAS NOT COMPLETED) AS EVERYBODY KNOWS ,WHEN LELOUCHE DIES C.C DIES WITH HIM <img src='http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sabrefang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabrefang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more twist though it is pure conjecture on my part.

Why is Orange on a plantation farm and CC on a hay wagon in an obviously rural/farm setting?

Does this suggest that Orange and CC are living in the same area or even on the same farm/property? There is no reason for CC or Orange to be in the same vicinity to each other except for one... Lelouch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more twist though it is pure conjecture on my part.</p>
<p>Why is Orange on a plantation farm and CC on a hay wagon in an obviously rural/farm setting?</p>
<p>Does this suggest that Orange and CC are living in the same area or even on the same farm/property? There is no reason for CC or Orange to be in the same vicinity to each other except for one&#8230; Lelouch.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabrefang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabrefang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SSSSSSSSSooooooooooooo want an ova. Honestly I at first thought Lelouch was dead. I took it at face value. But inevitably I rewound and watched the ending several times just so that I could see the endings of the various characters and feel closure to their stories. I started to feel irregularities. All of which have been debated previously.

Another thing though. Do you people think Lelouch is the type of person to step out of one of his schemes and leave the rest up to others? I think he would&#039;ve wanted to stick around long enough to see Damocles sent into the sun, etc. And make sure his scheme succeeded.

Then again during the part with Euphy he was more than willing to let Euphy shoot him so that others could carry on his will. On that note I do think he fully intended to die then and there at the end of the series. That was why CC was crying. But the argument that Charles gave Lelouch his code put paid to his plans to die (This would have been a surprise to all). Seeing how Charles was trying to absorb CC&#039;s code before even though it wasn&#039;t she who he made the pact with, this leads me to believe the Charles/Lelouch theory has some validity.

Orange has always been a bit deranged so his behaviour and manner during the *death* of Lelouch can be taken either way.

I think Lelouch started to feel for CC as a lover near the end of the series (vice versa).


I don&#039;t think the series would suffer if there was to be an ova contrary to others belief.

Other great anime have done ovas without destroying their moral points/plot lines/aesthetic feeling.

Cowboy Bebop The Movie. (I hope they don&#039;t make an ova like this where the plot line is somewhere in the middle of the series)

Gundam Wing Endless Waltz. A great cap off to an excellent series that had an excellent plot line. ZECHS was ALIVE. Even though I don&#039;t like ripoff series and such... I wouldn&#039;t complain if a Code Geass ova plot line partially copied this ova. I mainly want the two points where a thought to be dead character comes to life and the open ending which leaves one satisfied and content even if there will be no more after it. Confusing/ambiguous endings make me want to scream in frustration. I HATE UNSOLVED MYSTERIES. I wanted an ending where CC and Lelouch walk away toward a sunset arm in arm all the while everyone is made oblivious to their existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SSSSSSSSSooooooooooooo want an ova. Honestly I at first thought Lelouch was dead. I took it at face value. But inevitably I rewound and watched the ending several times just so that I could see the endings of the various characters and feel closure to their stories. I started to feel irregularities. All of which have been debated previously.</p>
<p>Another thing though. Do you people think Lelouch is the type of person to step out of one of his schemes and leave the rest up to others? I think he would&#8217;ve wanted to stick around long enough to see Damocles sent into the sun, etc. And make sure his scheme succeeded.</p>
<p>Then again during the part with Euphy he was more than willing to let Euphy shoot him so that others could carry on his will. On that note I do think he fully intended to die then and there at the end of the series. That was why CC was crying. But the argument that Charles gave Lelouch his code put paid to his plans to die (This would have been a surprise to all). Seeing how Charles was trying to absorb CC&#8217;s code before even though it wasn&#8217;t she who he made the pact with, this leads me to believe the Charles/Lelouch theory has some validity.</p>
<p>Orange has always been a bit deranged so his behaviour and manner during the *death* of Lelouch can be taken either way.</p>
<p>I think Lelouch started to feel for CC as a lover near the end of the series (vice versa).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the series would suffer if there was to be an ova contrary to others belief.</p>
<p>Other great anime have done ovas without destroying their moral points/plot lines/aesthetic feeling.</p>
<p>Cowboy Bebop The Movie. (I hope they don&#8217;t make an ova like this where the plot line is somewhere in the middle of the series)</p>
<p>Gundam Wing Endless Waltz. A great cap off to an excellent series that had an excellent plot line. ZECHS was ALIVE. Even though I don&#8217;t like ripoff series and such&#8230; I wouldn&#8217;t complain if a Code Geass ova plot line partially copied this ova. I mainly want the two points where a thought to be dead character comes to life and the open ending which leaves one satisfied and content even if there will be no more after it. Confusing/ambiguous endings make me want to scream in frustration. I HATE UNSOLVED MYSTERIES. I wanted an ending where CC and Lelouch walk away toward a sunset arm in arm all the while everyone is made oblivious to their existence.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abc are you stupid
1 he dint die cowerdly in fact he stood still and smiled when stabed(and personaly i think hes alive although im still debateing it)
2 as stated above he stood still so makes you think he ran away</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abc are you stupid<br />
1 he dint die cowerdly in fact he stood still and smiled when stabed(and personaly i think hes alive although im still debateing it)<br />
2 as stated above he stood still so makes you think he ran away</p>
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		<title>By: abc</title>
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		<dc:creator>abc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>f**k code geass..f**k lelouch...He died cowardly.He just running away...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>f**k code geass..f**k lelouch&#8230;He died cowardly.He just running away&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOING AGINST the storyline we are trying to debate how the story ended but if you really want to think about it we are BOTH going aginst the storyline since nether of us can say for sure how it ends so by you saying hes dead your going aginst it and by me saying hes alive im going aginst it since nether of us know how it ends for sure the end right now could be etheir &quot;in the end he died&quot; or &quot;in the end he lived&quot; since we dont know we are both going aginst it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOING AGINST the storyline we are trying to debate how the story ended but if you really want to think about it we are BOTH going aginst the storyline since nether of us can say for sure how it ends so by you saying hes dead your going aginst it and by me saying hes alive im going aginst it since nether of us know how it ends for sure the end right now could be etheir &#8220;in the end he died&#8221; or &#8220;in the end he lived&#8221; since we dont know we are both going aginst it</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 ended 

2 true i cant prove that he has a code(but you cant prove he dosent etheir) since we dont know enough about the regeneration of imortals wich will end this in a stalemate 

the cc/lelouch isnt entirly fanmade (at least i dont think so) since when she fought aginst karen karen said &quot;Dose that mean you love lelouch&quot; and her response was &quot;um...im not sure&quot;(word vary a little becuase of subs the 1st time i saw it it said &quot;i dont know&quot; but the meaning stays the same) now here how i interped it she wouldent know what love since her geass was to be loved and she used it on everyone so she never knew what real love is and on top of that she was alone for a long time so i think she loved him (or at least really liked him)but wouldent know the emotion so she couldent say no butshe felt something but didnt reconize it so one of the more likly answers would be &quot;i dont know&quot; or &quot;im not sure&quot;


by responding to my 1st post YOU took the position of the person who must prove ME wrong not the other way around
however i dont think you have ANY evidence that hes dead

3(new) just thought of something cc never wished for wrold peace that was lelouches dream so she could care less if everyone got along but do you think that she would stay immortail alone through thousands more year just becuase she loved him(and to you who thinks she dosent love him there would be no reason) i dont think so i think that if only one could be immortail she would chose him and she could almost happly die however she was there in the end so wouldent the most likly end be that they are together</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 ended </p>
<p>2 true i cant prove that he has a code(but you cant prove he dosent etheir) since we dont know enough about the regeneration of imortals wich will end this in a stalemate </p>
<p>the cc/lelouch isnt entirly fanmade (at least i dont think so) since when she fought aginst karen karen said &#8220;Dose that mean you love lelouch&#8221; and her response was &#8220;um&#8230;im not sure&#8221;(word vary a little becuase of subs the 1st time i saw it it said &#8220;i dont know&#8221; but the meaning stays the same) now here how i interped it she wouldent know what love since her geass was to be loved and she used it on everyone so she never knew what real love is and on top of that she was alone for a long time so i think she loved him (or at least really liked him)but wouldent know the emotion so she couldent say no butshe felt something but didnt reconize it so one of the more likly answers would be &#8220;i dont know&#8221; or &#8220;im not sure&#8221;</p>
<p>by responding to my 1st post YOU took the position of the person who must prove ME wrong not the other way around<br />
however i dont think you have ANY evidence that hes dead</p>
<p>3(new) just thought of something cc never wished for wrold peace that was lelouches dream so she could care less if everyone got along but do you think that she would stay immortail alone through thousands more year just becuase she loved him(and to you who thinks she dosent love him there would be no reason) i dont think so i think that if only one could be immortail she would chose him and she could almost happly die however she was there in the end so wouldent the most likly end be that they are together</p>
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		<title>By: Azenith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azenith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David

1 - Which means that this one is a stalmate too since both of us are unable to prove anything at all.

2 - &quot;if lelouch has a code and he dose (the one he got from his father)&quot; this is exactly what you have to prove (which you to this date hasen&#039;t been able to).

And tbh, the Lelouch/CC pairing is just fanmade and isen&#039;t mentioned anywhere, aswell as Lelouch paired with anyone else (including Kallen:( ), which means that &quot;and is it really a curse if you get to live with the preson you love forever&quot; isen&#039;t relevant at all.

&quot;but he wasnt in solitude since he had cc&quot; again this is what you have to prove.

I don&#039;t really have to present any evidence at all since you&#039;re the one who&#039;s going against the current storyline, it&#039;s YOU who has to prove to ME that he is alive.

PS: I have to apologize for all grammar mistakes, I have a bad flue and seems to have lost my ability to write properlyQQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David</p>
<p>1 &#8211; Which means that this one is a stalmate too since both of us are unable to prove anything at all.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; &#8220;if lelouch has a code and he dose (the one he got from his father)&#8221; this is exactly what you have to prove (which you to this date hasen&#8217;t been able to).</p>
<p>And tbh, the Lelouch/CC pairing is just fanmade and isen&#8217;t mentioned anywhere, aswell as Lelouch paired with anyone else (including Kallen:( ), which means that &#8220;and is it really a curse if you get to live with the preson you love forever&#8221; isen&#8217;t relevant at all.</p>
<p>&#8220;but he wasnt in solitude since he had cc&#8221; again this is what you have to prove.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really have to present any evidence at all since you&#8217;re the one who&#8217;s going against the current storyline, it&#8217;s YOU who has to prove to ME that he is alive.</p>
<p>PS: I have to apologize for all grammar mistakes, I have a bad flue and seems to have lost my ability to write properlyQQ</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>takik1234

1 true but you just addmited i was right or at least that we cant conclude this argument by saying that &quot;Still, this anime is an alterative future which mean that the laws of physics and everything else should be like IRL with the with the exception of Geass/Code&quot; the code is what gives you immortality in this series so what you said could be said like this &quot;Still, this anime is an alterative future which mean that the laws of physics and everything else should be like IRL with the exception of Geass/Code/Imortality.&quot; (i left code on there since it also gives you the ability to give people geass)and since we dont know enough about the extent of the regenrative ability to know whether or not someone could regenreate from being desentregrated 

2 and 3 so again we cant conclud this argument. 

4 if lelouch has a code and he dose (the one he got from his father) she would not have to give him a code and is it really a curse if you get to live with the preson you love forever. true the pact was for her to die BUT did she ever set a time limit to when the pact had to be compleated so in theory she could have him compleate it a million years from then.yes he made himself a bad guy but he wasnt in solitude since he had cc

true it mite be weak but if you cant prove me wrong on the frist one what evidence do you have to support him being dead</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>takik1234</p>
<p>1 true but you just addmited i was right or at least that we cant conclude this argument by saying that &#8220;Still, this anime is an alterative future which mean that the laws of physics and everything else should be like IRL with the with the exception of Geass/Code&#8221; the code is what gives you immortality in this series so what you said could be said like this &#8220;Still, this anime is an alterative future which mean that the laws of physics and everything else should be like IRL with the exception of Geass/Code/Imortality.&#8221; (i left code on there since it also gives you the ability to give people geass)and since we dont know enough about the extent of the regenrative ability to know whether or not someone could regenreate from being desentregrated </p>
<p>2 and 3 so again we cant conclud this argument. </p>
<p>4 if lelouch has a code and he dose (the one he got from his father) she would not have to give him a code and is it really a curse if you get to live with the preson you love forever. true the pact was for her to die BUT did she ever set a time limit to when the pact had to be compleated so in theory she could have him compleate it a million years from then.yes he made himself a bad guy but he wasnt in solitude since he had cc</p>
<p>true it mite be weak but if you cant prove me wrong on the frist one what evidence do you have to support him being dead</p>
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		<title>By: Azenith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azenith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David

1 - Still, this anime is an alterative future which mean that the laws of physics and everything else should be like IRL with the exception of Geass/Code. 

2 and 3- Never mind that I guess I didn&#039;t think before I posted. I didn&#039;t bother reading your answear on this since I realised that my own comment phailed (hard).

4 - My point is that CC sees the Code as a curse and would you curse your only friend (Lelouch)? And she want&#039;s to die, that was a part of the bargin/pact she made with Lelouch. The difference is that between what CC said “the power of kings, know as geass, brings one solitude&quot; and what happened was that Geass didn&#039;t bring him solitude(Karen/Kallen would probably have followed him if he didn&#039;t lie). He choose solitude by making himself the bad guy. 

So CC&#039;s sentence are still correct, anyways, it seems a little weak to me to base Lelouchs immortality on one cryptic sentence from CC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David</p>
<p>1 &#8211; Still, this anime is an alterative future which mean that the laws of physics and everything else should be like IRL with the exception of Geass/Code. </p>
<p>2 and 3- Never mind that I guess I didn&#8217;t think before I posted. I didn&#8217;t bother reading your answear on this since I realised that my own comment phailed (hard).</p>
<p>4 &#8211; My point is that CC sees the Code as a curse and would you curse your only friend (Lelouch)? And she want&#8217;s to die, that was a part of the bargin/pact she made with Lelouch. The difference is that between what CC said “the power of kings, know as geass, brings one solitude&#8221; and what happened was that Geass didn&#8217;t bring him solitude(Karen/Kallen would probably have followed him if he didn&#8217;t lie). He choose solitude by making himself the bad guy. </p>
<p>So CC&#8217;s sentence are still correct, anyways, it seems a little weak to me to base Lelouchs immortality on one cryptic sentence from CC.</p>
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