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		<title>By: Zing Freelancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zing Freelancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I put my dibs on V.V. still being alive and well without the code, becoming a man he should have been a long time ago.

Do you not agree with me? Then what the fuck do you know about how the codes work?
I guessed right, not much more then I do, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I put my dibs on V.V. still being alive and well without the code, becoming a man he should have been a long time ago.</p>
<p>Do you not agree with me? Then what the fuck do you know about how the codes work?<br />
I guessed right, not much more then I do, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: zongetsu</title>
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		<dc:creator>zongetsu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, im pretty sure its possible for Love, in most stuff isnt love at first sight.  Its real love, in which you learn to love the other person.  Ill admit in the beginning he didnt give a shit about CC, but as time progressed he learned to love her for who she was.  He, most likely like me, wouldnt want her to suffer anymore pain.

Flash back to some episodes...

&quot;The geass recovered from me was that of to be loved...&quot;
&quot;CC i know your geass, your TRUE wish!&quot;
R2 15

&quot;CC are you okay?&quot;
&quot;How rare, youre worried about me?&quot;
&quot;You are a very important part of my force&quot;
&quot;Hmp, thats why i came to pick that up&quot;
&quot;so can i ask for youre protection then?&quot;
&quot;so you will head out? you might end up having to killing nunnally with youre own hands&quot;
&quot;If she is an obstacle for Zero Requiem then so be it&quot;
&quot;lelouch do you not hate me? By giving you geass ive drastically changed your fate.&quot;
&quot;Thats not like you witch...CC it is because of the geass that you gave me...it was because you were there, that i was able to take my first step.  Everything from there on is my own..&quot;
*CC SMILE*
&quot;This is the first time ive met a man like you&quot;
*BOTH WALK CLOSER TO EACH OTHER*
&quot;CC&quot;

R2 24 the only CCxLelouch moment in the entire anime T^T


&quot;Hey suzaku, dont you think geass is the same as wishes?...
Things you cant accomplish with your own powers, you ask for the assistance of others.&quot;
R2 25

Yes some random lines i pulled out from the anime.

So moving on, CC at times can be a Tsurdere, i dont think i spelled that right, but still, we all know she loves Lelouch but she doesnt show it.  In one of the sound episodes however, Tamaki is making fun of her being Zeros woman and his lover, CC does indeed get pissed off and kicks him out of a moving car.  Now who does that?

In the final scene, CC says...
&quot;geass is the power of kings it will isolate you, but i guess thats a little wrong, nah, lelouch?&quot;

Her tone changes when she says lelouch, and she most definately says it in a kinder more loving tone taking time to pronouce every single syllable...

Most the time we hear her say something like &quot;dedoushu&quot; but in the end she says &quot;nah, leloushu&quot;  Nice and comforting like a lover would say it, kind and warm...just as she wanted her name said to her in the first season ep 13...or maybe it was 13 i cant remember lol.  They were in a cave though.

Yes, her character song says it all to...&quot;youre not alone&quot; &quot;im not alone&quot;  1+1=2...

Now to the VV hating Marianne for ruining his plans...
All i got to say to that is sure...In R2 14, or maybe it was 15, CC was talking to a dying VV and was like, &quot;you liked marianne didnt you?&quot;

VV killed Marianne because he was jealous of his brother, because he was doing Marianne and not him, sucks for him that he got immortality when he was what? 10?  He killed her for that reason...then he LIED to Charles.  He also lied saying that she was throwing him off track, he was just once again, JEALOUS mof....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, im pretty sure its possible for Love, in most stuff isnt love at first sight.  Its real love, in which you learn to love the other person.  Ill admit in the beginning he didnt give a shit about CC, but as time progressed he learned to love her for who she was.  He, most likely like me, wouldnt want her to suffer anymore pain.</p>
<p>Flash back to some episodes&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The geass recovered from me was that of to be loved&#8230;&#8221;<br />
&#8220;CC i know your geass, your TRUE wish!&#8221;<br />
R2 15</p>
<p>&#8220;CC are you okay?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;How rare, youre worried about me?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;You are a very important part of my force&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Hmp, thats why i came to pick that up&#8221;<br />
&#8220;so can i ask for youre protection then?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;so you will head out? you might end up having to killing nunnally with youre own hands&#8221;<br />
&#8220;If she is an obstacle for Zero Requiem then so be it&#8221;<br />
&#8220;lelouch do you not hate me? By giving you geass ive drastically changed your fate.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Thats not like you witch&#8230;CC it is because of the geass that you gave me&#8230;it was because you were there, that i was able to take my first step.  Everything from there on is my own..&#8221;<br />
*CC SMILE*<br />
&#8220;This is the first time ive met a man like you&#8221;<br />
*BOTH WALK CLOSER TO EACH OTHER*<br />
&#8220;CC&#8221;</p>
<p>R2 24 the only CCxLelouch moment in the entire anime T^T</p>
<p>&#8220;Hey suzaku, dont you think geass is the same as wishes?&#8230;<br />
Things you cant accomplish with your own powers, you ask for the assistance of others.&#8221;<br />
R2 25</p>
<p>Yes some random lines i pulled out from the anime.</p>
<p>So moving on, CC at times can be a Tsurdere, i dont think i spelled that right, but still, we all know she loves Lelouch but she doesnt show it.  In one of the sound episodes however, Tamaki is making fun of her being Zeros woman and his lover, CC does indeed get pissed off and kicks him out of a moving car.  Now who does that?</p>
<p>In the final scene, CC says&#8230;<br />
&#8220;geass is the power of kings it will isolate you, but i guess thats a little wrong, nah, lelouch?&#8221;</p>
<p>Her tone changes when she says lelouch, and she most definately says it in a kinder more loving tone taking time to pronouce every single syllable&#8230;</p>
<p>Most the time we hear her say something like &#8220;dedoushu&#8221; but in the end she says &#8220;nah, leloushu&#8221;  Nice and comforting like a lover would say it, kind and warm&#8230;just as she wanted her name said to her in the first season ep 13&#8230;or maybe it was 13 i cant remember lol.  They were in a cave though.</p>
<p>Yes, her character song says it all to&#8230;&#8221;youre not alone&#8221; &#8220;im not alone&#8221;  1+1=2&#8230;</p>
<p>Now to the VV hating Marianne for ruining his plans&#8230;<br />
All i got to say to that is sure&#8230;In R2 14, or maybe it was 15, CC was talking to a dying VV and was like, &#8220;you liked marianne didnt you?&#8221;</p>
<p>VV killed Marianne because he was jealous of his brother, because he was doing Marianne and not him, sucks for him that he got immortality when he was what? 10?  He killed her for that reason&#8230;then he LIED to Charles.  He also lied saying that she was throwing him off track, he was just once again, JEALOUS mof&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Zing Freelancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zing Freelancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if he did not received the geass from C.C.
It would be unlikely for Lelouch to engage in any &quot;long term&quot; romantic relationship. He want to defeat Britannia, not make babies.
Also V.V. mentioned that he killed Lelouch&#039;s mother because he seen her as disturbance for their plan.

The point is that any romantic relationship would lead him off the track, that why it was left out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if he did not received the geass from C.C.<br />
It would be unlikely for Lelouch to engage in any &#8220;long term&#8221; romantic relationship. He want to defeat Britannia, not make babies.<br />
Also V.V. mentioned that he killed Lelouch&#8217;s mother because he seen her as disturbance for their plan.</p>
<p>The point is that any romantic relationship would lead him off the track, that why it was left out.</p>
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		<title>By: Tarsus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tarsus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 06:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anyways ever since FFX-2 (60+ hours) it was FFX (90+ hours), deus ex invisible war (24+ hours), FFTA (gave up), fable (not done yet), FF12 (70+ and counting)... my life has been in a downward SpiraL since. damn you yuna... i love you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyways ever since FFX-2 (60+ hours) it was FFX (90+ hours), deus ex invisible war (24+ hours), FFTA (gave up), fable (not done yet), FF12 (70+ and counting)&#8230; my life has been in a downward SpiraL since. damn you yuna&#8230; i love you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tarsus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tarsus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 06:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i almost cried when the tachikomas got killed trying to save batou in ghost in the shell SAC

and it was FFX-2&#039;s yuna and friends that got me into the horrible time-wasting habit of RPGs

a lot of people underestimate the emotional hooks of cartoons and video games...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i almost cried when the tachikomas got killed trying to save batou in ghost in the shell SAC</p>
<p>and it was FFX-2&#8217;s yuna and friends that got me into the horrible time-wasting habit of RPGs</p>
<p>a lot of people underestimate the emotional hooks of cartoons and video games&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at Zetsubun Hater

I think you misinterpreted Lulu and C.C&#039;s relationship it was not about ROmantic love at all.. you should read the complete guide book for R1

sorry most silly shippers twisted their growing bond.. watch the show carefully... honestly the two were not about romance but more understanding type of relationship... 

I dont like Kallen or Shirely, but him loving them &quot;romantically&quot; was more likely than C.C who he spent the most time with... but never moved on romantically with her or had ANY sexual tension with.... while he spent little time with Kallen, he still got very close to her (some argue he loved her romantically) 

and he died as a virgin too.. I heard it was confirmed..how sad.. two months with C.C and 

NOTHING?!?! sigh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at Zetsubun Hater</p>
<p>I think you misinterpreted Lulu and C.C&#8217;s relationship it was not about ROmantic love at all.. you should read the complete guide book for R1</p>
<p>sorry most silly shippers twisted their growing bond.. watch the show carefully&#8230; honestly the two were not about romance but more understanding type of relationship&#8230; </p>
<p>I dont like Kallen or Shirely, but him loving them &#8220;romantically&#8221; was more likely than C.C who he spent the most time with&#8230; but never moved on romantically with her or had ANY sexual tension with&#8230;. while he spent little time with Kallen, he still got very close to her (some argue he loved her romantically) </p>
<p>and he died as a virgin too.. I heard it was confirmed..how sad.. two months with C.C and </p>
<p>NOTHING?!?! sigh</p>
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		<title>By: Zetsubun hater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zetsubun hater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Zingfreelancer&#039;s point about Shirley not being a love interest for Lulu. If Lulu never recieved geass and met C.C., then he would have probably ended up with Shirley. Besides, in episode 7 of the first season, Lelouch said that he was a corpse that nearly followed the motions of living but he felt dead inside and even in the first episode of R2 he felt like something was missing from his life, so that kinda gives evidence that Shirley didn&#039;t fill the void for what Lulu&#039;s heart was searching for. The entire series focused on Lulu&#039;s relationship with C.C. and as far as the series is concerned, I think that C.C. is his love interest because he takes her everywhere he goes and for alot of other reasons. But as I mentioned before, Lulu and Shirley would have probably hooked up if the whole Shinjuku incident in the first episode didn&#039;t occur. I would also like to add that during Shirley&#039;s death, Lulu never even told her that he loves her (which would have been the perfect opportunity to say it if he was planning to). And not to mention that she never really knew anything about the real Lelouch like C.C. did. I don&#039;t mean to offend any LuluxShirley fans but I just wanted to point out that the series didn&#039;t focus on their relationship at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Zingfreelancer&#8217;s point about Shirley not being a love interest for Lulu. If Lulu never recieved geass and met C.C., then he would have probably ended up with Shirley. Besides, in episode 7 of the first season, Lelouch said that he was a corpse that nearly followed the motions of living but he felt dead inside and even in the first episode of R2 he felt like something was missing from his life, so that kinda gives evidence that Shirley didn&#8217;t fill the void for what Lulu&#8217;s heart was searching for. The entire series focused on Lulu&#8217;s relationship with C.C. and as far as the series is concerned, I think that C.C. is his love interest because he takes her everywhere he goes and for alot of other reasons. But as I mentioned before, Lulu and Shirley would have probably hooked up if the whole Shinjuku incident in the first episode didn&#8217;t occur. I would also like to add that during Shirley&#8217;s death, Lulu never even told her that he loves her (which would have been the perfect opportunity to say it if he was planning to). And not to mention that she never really knew anything about the real Lelouch like C.C. did. I don&#8217;t mean to offend any LuluxShirley fans but I just wanted to point out that the series didn&#8217;t focus on their relationship at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Zing Freelancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zing Freelancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not agree that people say Shirley was a love interest for Lelouch.

Lelouch was aware of her feelings and he didnt want a person like her to be involved in this all. He did not wanted her to come to harm. That why he tried to keep her outside this all, but in the end he failed.
If he had time and serious feelings toward her, he would probably take her under his &amp; Black Knights protection.
The person who clearly loved him and had all kind feelings for him died because of him. Point made? Now put your self in his shoes.

I actually do agree that Diethard death was a failure, I dont know why he suddenly made a decision to follow Schneizel and did not change his altitude after seeing Schneizel fall to superior Lelouch.

He could have left his name in the history, he could have created the story of century. But yet, he was pathetic in the end.


There goes a golden opportunity to clean Lelouch name... Unless Milly finds Diethard (Diet hard = Hard diets?) notes and do complete what he started. But yet unlikely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not agree that people say Shirley was a love interest for Lelouch.</p>
<p>Lelouch was aware of her feelings and he didnt want a person like her to be involved in this all. He did not wanted her to come to harm. That why he tried to keep her outside this all, but in the end he failed.<br />
If he had time and serious feelings toward her, he would probably take her under his &amp; Black Knights protection.<br />
The person who clearly loved him and had all kind feelings for him died because of him. Point made? Now put your self in his shoes.</p>
<p>I actually do agree that Diethard death was a failure, I dont know why he suddenly made a decision to follow Schneizel and did not change his altitude after seeing Schneizel fall to superior Lelouch.</p>
<p>He could have left his name in the history, he could have created the story of century. But yet, he was pathetic in the end.</p>
<p>There goes a golden opportunity to clean Lelouch name&#8230; Unless Milly finds Diethard (Diet hard = Hard diets?) notes and do complete what he started. But yet unlikely.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt
The creators of Code Geass could create an alternate universe version of R2, with the original intended storyline. They could do a Mai Hime type remake for R2. Or the Creators could work on a Novel/Manga detailing their intended plans of R2, starting with Stage 26 to Stage 50, with the option to expand on the original concept. I still feel that Sunrise might give the staff a chance to do another Code Geass project that could be used to either retell R2. To me, Code Geass would not be the same without Lelouch. And I was completely dissatisfied with R2 overall. I could have accepted Lelouch&#039;s death had they not rushed throughout the last 13 episodes. Everything about R2 seems unfinished. In contrast, everything in the first season was clear and focused in the First Season. The original plans was to continue where S1 left off with Stage 26 before the timeslot change. 

The one character that I believed who should have not been killed off was Dietard. Why kill the man who was almost neutral in the conflict and acted as Lelouch/Zero top stratagist of the Black Knights? He wanted to cover Zero&#039;s story. His death was completely out of character and unneccessary. It would have been amazing to have seen him cover Zero&#039;s story, as well as Emperor Lelouch. This would have been the golden opportunity of his career. To kill Dietard was a decision that I never agreed with. In addition, I could never see Dietard betraying Lelouch for any reason at all. For example, why on earth would Dietard decide to side with Schniezel, knowing that he would be signing his death warrent? The Britannia, Dietard was a traitor to their cause and would have been killed on the spot. Nothing about R2 made any sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt<br />
The creators of Code Geass could create an alternate universe version of R2, with the original intended storyline. They could do a Mai Hime type remake for R2. Or the Creators could work on a Novel/Manga detailing their intended plans of R2, starting with Stage 26 to Stage 50, with the option to expand on the original concept. I still feel that Sunrise might give the staff a chance to do another Code Geass project that could be used to either retell R2. To me, Code Geass would not be the same without Lelouch. And I was completely dissatisfied with R2 overall. I could have accepted Lelouch&#8217;s death had they not rushed throughout the last 13 episodes. Everything about R2 seems unfinished. In contrast, everything in the first season was clear and focused in the First Season. The original plans was to continue where S1 left off with Stage 26 before the timeslot change. </p>
<p>The one character that I believed who should have not been killed off was Dietard. Why kill the man who was almost neutral in the conflict and acted as Lelouch/Zero top stratagist of the Black Knights? He wanted to cover Zero&#8217;s story. His death was completely out of character and unneccessary. It would have been amazing to have seen him cover Zero&#8217;s story, as well as Emperor Lelouch. This would have been the golden opportunity of his career. To kill Dietard was a decision that I never agreed with. In addition, I could never see Dietard betraying Lelouch for any reason at all. For example, why on earth would Dietard decide to side with Schniezel, knowing that he would be signing his death warrent? The Britannia, Dietard was a traitor to their cause and would have been killed on the spot. Nothing about R2 made any sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still 50/50 on this. There is to much open ended to confirm he is dead, despite the beautiful ending he portrayed getting stabbed through, but we all know in the world of anime especially those that have supernatural aspects to them they break the rules... 

Honestly, I think CC loved him, but I think she knew his heart probably belonged to Shirley. From all that happened in the first season, I believe there was a bond between those two. 

CC loved Lelouche, Karen (kallen) loved lelouche, and lelouche loved shirley. It was a tragic moment when his love died, especially by the hands of Rolo...

Though, it took me about two weeks to get over the series. I have come to my terms with it and probably will rewatch it a few times again in the future. though I am quite upset with how sunrise handled the 2nd season, changing there time slot and causing the original story for the 2nd season to be re-written. I really dislike sunrise alot, especially if those who have watched R.Kenshin and how they butchered the 2nd half of that series. The original plot was killer.. not to mention the horrendous last episode...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still 50/50 on this. There is to much open ended to confirm he is dead, despite the beautiful ending he portrayed getting stabbed through, but we all know in the world of anime especially those that have supernatural aspects to them they break the rules&#8230; </p>
<p>Honestly, I think CC loved him, but I think she knew his heart probably belonged to Shirley. From all that happened in the first season, I believe there was a bond between those two. </p>
<p>CC loved Lelouche, Karen (kallen) loved lelouche, and lelouche loved shirley. It was a tragic moment when his love died, especially by the hands of Rolo&#8230;</p>
<p>Though, it took me about two weeks to get over the series. I have come to my terms with it and probably will rewatch it a few times again in the future. though I am quite upset with how sunrise handled the 2nd season, changing there time slot and causing the original story for the 2nd season to be re-written. I really dislike sunrise alot, especially if those who have watched R.Kenshin and how they butchered the 2nd half of that series. The original plot was killer.. not to mention the horrendous last episode&#8230;</p>
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