But then again, this is all IMO, AFAICT etc. etc. so no flames please.

As i see it, i dont really truly believe that there will be another code geass. Just because of what lelouch set out to accomplish. He wanted to end geass because he saw it as a sinful power that only one person should have, himself. If he was alive with CC, they would both have the only codes known to existence and no longer need to grant geass as their own wishes would have been granted.

If a new season came out it would undoubtedly be a spin off. Another time another dimension or perhaps the far distant future.

Have you seen the rather recent promo poster that had lelouch alive along with CC in the background?

http://myanimelist.net/images/clubs/10/112956.jpg

According to some “dead group” believers, this does not count towards anything. The argument is that the poster is a promo and represents nothing. It is merely to milk the audience. However my question is why alone would they not promo lelouch’s death as they would promo him being alive. That would be misleading and cause confusion.

I dont disagree with the “dead group” when they say he died. He did. But he was able to come back to life. SO they only have one part of the whole picture. Ntm his clothes are very similar to that of the cart driver excluding the vest, hat, and face cover.

Lelouch obviously lived.

Here’s why;

(In addition to what you’ve pointed out) Sunrise made a statement in the January 2009 edition of Gekka’s Animedia magazine;

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/wp-content/gallery/misc-images-xiii/img_1032045_22102323_0.jpg

Translation:

“You have all shown us a lot of kind appreciation in making the DVDs and CDs so popular.
We were truly blessed to have such passionate fans…truly, thank you all.
Like we have said before, Lelouch may have died (?) but Geass itself will not.
The show has just ended, yet we feel it might be a good idea to make something else.
In any case, we might be able to announce something in the near future…”

The (?) is not my addition it is as it appears in the article.

Even Sunrise acknowleges that they want this show open for continued sequels should that prove profitable in the future.
I give it four to six years before we see the next Code Geass TV series.
It will follow the Gundam 0079 pattern IMHO.
We’ve had the TV series.
Then the new manga.
Now we’ve got the OVAs.
Then we’ll have a few side stories.
Then the new series with Lelouch and friends (probably in the near future of R2, maybe five to eight years).

This is what the “He’s dead” crowd is missing in their arguments, the fact that Code Geass is a property owned and licensed by Sunrise who will NOT end it until they’re good and ready to do so; and that means Lelouch will undoubtedly be alive for the sequel.

It took a while to figure out but i say he is alive. When you weigh the ideas “lelouch alive” vs “lelouch dead” him being alive, to me outweighs him being dead.

The reasons are obvious. Zero Requiem was never intended to “punish him”. Sure at times he wanted to die, but to deny him the thing he wanted most was wrong. THe same applies to suzaku. Lelouch the one who wanted to live, suzaku the one who wanted to die.

In the end, i think they both wanted to live even if they were to be “punished” they would just have to live a different way. In a sense, the both died as their name and title was erased from existance. Lelouch and Suzaku no longer would exist. All that would be left would be presumably LL/RR and Zero. Is that not death in itself? To have your existance erased and take up another, just as char did?

But, the thing is, Suzaku’s geass was to live. Geass is someones wish. So perhaps even though on the outside he wanted to die, deep down he wanted to live, just as CC did.

However there should not be any more code geass because with his survival, the deal is sealed. Geass no longer exist in the world. As we have seen it, only two codes exist which means only two people can give geass. The one who bears a code only gives a geass when they want a wish granted. CC is one of the bearers. If her wish is to be loved, then lelouch could easily satisfy it if he is too immortal. His own wish would too be granted, to have created a world his sister could live in. Another factor that relates into this subject is lelouch’s other wish to destroy geass. Back after Shirley died, he told himself that if geass is the power of kings, then only one person should be able to have it. Thus kill the geass cult.

Add CC’s words into it.

C.C.: “Forgive me. This is my sin for letting you all run rampant. Therefore, the genealogy of Geass shall end here. (little tear streams on eyes) That’s perhaps… Lelouch and my…”

Lelouch and my what….genealogy of geass ends here? Pretty sure you can figure it out, but at the time, it works well with the scene making you pretty much miss it. But what do you think?

With that, he would have ended it perfectly. However some people cannot understand the difference between their own emotions and the obvious.

Example.

If lelouch lived, he’s a douche because he didnt atone for his sins.

Yep, i see that all the time.

I would buy into the idea because on the other side, they got nothing but “word of god” which is okouchi’s own statement.

THe way i see it, geass-net does not even exist. Im still trying to find it. Ive talked to some people in japan and i still cant seem to get a hand on it. Maybe its a fan run thing but its cellular? But i got the scans and they say pretty much what it says above. But then ask yourself, why would they not put nunnally having mind powers in the guidebook? Why do they still not explain it?

see the contradictions

I’m not sure I’m buying into the “guy driving the cart is Lelouche” idea just yet.
Some people I’ve discussed this with both online and offline have put forth the idea that Lelouche is in C’s world and that this is how CC is speaking to him (like she did with Marianne).
Granted there are two sides to this argument too, as some people feel that only Marianne could commune with CC in the manner they did due to her Geass power.
If that is the case then the “guy driving the cart” is intended as an artistic simulacrum (though not literally such a thing) that allows for the possibility of it being Lelouche; tho not a definite identification that this is him.

In this way the Director, and Screenplay writers end the story and leave it open to the interpretation of the viewer.

As for the Nunnally thing mentioned by so many where she sees into Lelouche’s mind.
That’s one of CG’s major plot holes that you could fly a 777 through IMHO.
It can be interpreted to mean that either;
a) Nannunally is now a female Professor Xavier or
b) Lelouche has a Code (since we don’t know if this particular aspect of a Code manifests itself before or after a Code is fully active; and I doubt we’ll ever know).

The one fact we can all be certain of here is that in any fictional work no character is ever truly dead.
The Emperor from Star Wars is a good example of this.
Dies in a reactor shaft in Jedi, comes back in the novel Heir to the Empire as a clone.
Bobba Fett is another good example;
Dies in the Surlack pit.
Comes back in a graphic novel adaptation.
Admiral Akida from Space Battleship Yamato is also a good example;
Dies from Radiation poisoning in The Quest for Iscandar.
Stays dead for two other TV series and two movies and then comes back in Final Yamato…he was in a coma…who knew.

Lelouche is the same kind of character.
He reminds me of Char Aznable a lot.
Char “died” in the original Gundam on Boua Kou and then came back in Zeta Gundam as Quatro.

If Lelouche stays dead, so be it.
If he comes back in a new anime, so much the better.
Either way CG was awsome and to me very much a work of art…and like a real piece of artwork its meaning is not set in stone but rather something that each viewer can choose to interpret their own way and walk away happy.

I’m a few months late here I know, but I’ve been following the English translation (after having seen the Japanese sub) and comparing the two. The [as] airing is at episode 22 and I must say that I’ve gone from the “Lelouche is Dead” idea (mostly because of the Okouchi interview in Continue issue 42 and the R2 Guidebook) to the “I’m not so sure now” way of thinking.

I own the R2 Official Guidebook which clearly states that Lelouche Vi Britannia is dead.
However, after watching ep 14 and 15 again it would seem to me that when Charles dies the first time after stealing VV’s geass he bleeds quite a bit from his gunshot wound so it would seem a person does have to die before their code activates.
Only a person with a full “fixed” dual eyed Geass can take/steal a Code (as Charles did with VV in episode 14/15) so it is possible that Lelouche stole Charles code after the God of C’s world granted Lelouche a full Geass.

It also dawned on me that we never see VV’s Code symbol and only see CC’s symbol when it activates, otherwise its hidden.

Considering that the Newtype Japan interview with Taniguichi’s statement that the ending was made for the viewer to interpret themselves it stands to reason that Lelouche Vi Britainnia died and that RR or LL was born.

I’ve read the Code Trainwreck blogs and many other threads on various websites about this.
Including the 276 page thread on AnimeSuki Forums and I’ve heard all the arguments on both sides.

Lelouche Vi Britainnia is dead, of that I’m of the opinion is definite.
Lelouche having a Code from Charles I see as a distinct possibility and thus the creation of the R2/L2 persona becomes possible if the viewer so chooses to believe that.

As for Okouchi, he’s done with Geass IMHO, and for HIM Lelouche is dead.
However, that does not mean that for Bandai/Sunrise Lelouche is dead.
If a new Code Geass is deemed a worth while venture by Sunrise then Lelouche (IMO as L2) may make a reappearence, tho I think Okouchi will have nothing to do with it.

That’s my 2 cents.

lmfao

maybe people just figured he lived

RIP Charred Knight